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Climate Change & The Environment Discuss Pope Francis says coronavirus could be ‘nature’s response’ to climate change at the General Discussion; Originally Posted by cnredd It's funny... John Paul II rallied against socialist policies and social justice while Francis embraces it... ...

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Old 04-22-2020, 10:22 AM
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It's funny...

John Paul II rallied against socialist policies and social justice while Francis embraces it...

John Paul II, best Pope ever imo…..

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John Paul II, best Pope ever imo…..

In our lifetime...

People tend to say "best" and "worst" because of what we know, and there's no better indicator than living through a particular time...That's why the last five or six presidents will "ALWAYS" be ranked in the top tier of "best" or "worst"...The next five or six presidents will be, too...

If previous popes had public access and communications that JPII had, than JPII could end up being the 200th best for all we know...
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In our lifetime...

Agreed....

I'd add Mother Teresa to that lifetime list......
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Pope Francis says coronavirus could be ‘nature’s response’ to climate change

https://nypost.com/2020/04/08/pope-s...limate-change/

Pope Francis likened the coronavirus pandemic to recent fires and floods as one of “nature’s responses” to the world’s ambivalence to climate change.
“There is an expression in Spanish: ‘God always forgives, we forgive sometimes, but nature never forgives,'” the pope said in an interview published Wednesday in The Tablet, a United Kingdom-based Catholic weekly.
The pope, 83, was responding to whether he believed coronavirus could spur ecological conversion, the idea for people to lead more environmentally conscious lives through the understanding that the natural world is a creation of God.


If Nature or God wanted to punish mankind for something then I don't think either one would use a virus that kills a tiny percentage of most of whom are already at death's door.
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I have to say I'm not sure WHAT exactly the Pope means by it.
the Idea of Natures balance is a pretty squishy term. there's no real hard scientific boundary for it.
Ok that's ONE way to think of it I guess. and to start it seems Rocks and Stars aren't part of "nature" here, just living things so OK. But the terms still aren't quite clear. what in nature are you expecting or hoping survives? Microbes? Man? everything that's alive NOW?
you say "Not necessarily in the same form", you say it can "change" .. OK but by how much? 20% extinctions of major animal forms? 50% 90%? Just Humans gone? Change is retaliative. and roaches, bacteria and plants might do quite well without many larger animal types. Should we consider "Nature in balance" in a world like that?

Seems to me it depends on our definition.

See i'd word it a bit differently , that that particular natural environment might not survive. But "Nature" hasn't died or loss balance. It's doing what you said earlier... adapting to change. the various parts of Nature doing what they do.

Agreed and thanks!

Mutation from pressures from the environment and it's own built in mutative limits (mutations tend to break down (kill) the whole organism/virus if to many are made).
Mutations made by MAN not "nature" is the other option.

the Pope, CLimate Change zealots, and Nature lovers who tend of over personify it.
Nutshell version: A plant prefers a specific environment to grow and flourish. Lets say it prefers moist soil and shade.

Version 1. Someone comes along, and cuts down the tree that provides the shade. Now it is in full sun, and the soil dries out because of it. Chances are, the plant will die.

Version 2. Someone comes along and trims the branches of the tree providing shade, so now the plant gets more sun than it prefers. It may not perform as well, but since the soil still retains some moisture, it will likely survive. It may mutate over years to acclimate to the changes, but survival is likely.

For the books, I am very much a plant hugger, but not a militant tree hugger. Call me light green if you will.
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Nutshell version: A plant prefers a specific environment to grow and flourish. Lets say it prefers moist soil and shade.

Version 1. Someone comes along, and cuts down the tree that provides the shade. Now it is in full sun, and the soil dries out because of it. Chances are, the plant will die.

Version 2. Someone comes along and trims the branches of the tree providing shade, so now the plant gets more sun than it prefers. It may not perform as well, but since the soil still retains some moisture, it will likely survive. It may mutate over years to acclimate to the changes, but survival is likely.

For the books, I am very much a plant hugger, but not a militant tree hugger. Call me light green if you will.
Me too, I have planted 36 trees + other plants on my property over the last 25 years.

But get this, I trim them so they provide MORE shade. It is very important in the desert. Trim them like an umbrella.
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