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Old 10-26-2019, 08:01 PM
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ask descendants of commercial fishermen if there was an Apocolypse
Probably due to over fishing. Not because of weather or climate.

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what about wildfires in various and diverse coastal cities
Because those are naturally wild fire prone areas. Look up fire ecology. Its why the trees produce cones and seedpods that need intense heat of a wild fire to open like lodge pole pines for example. Some plants leaves are extremely flammable to encourage more intense burning so that when there seeds germinate there is less competition. It takes constant wild fires hundreds of thousands or even millions of years for those adaptations to occur.It would be good for the coastal areas and other wild fire prone areas to control their brush.


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tornadoes are the norm anywhere any time of year
Tornadoes happen everywhere.Some parts of the country are just more frequent than others.

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why are there more hurricanes? why are there more dangerous hurricanes?
There hasn't been more hurricanes.
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The bible isn't a history book.
well actually it is.
though that's not the final point.
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Not sure where you are getting your information, but as usual, it is way off base.

Seasons with the most hurricanes, 1851 - Present
Rank Year Number of Hurricanes
1. 2005 15
2. 2010 12
2. 1969 12
4. 1887 11
4. 1950 11
4. 1998 11
4. 1995 11
8. 2012 10
8. 1933 10
8. 1916 10

https://www.wunderground.com/hurricane/top10.asp

Sure, there are a couple of years recent, but look at some of the other years. 1887 was not just the other day.

Also remember, that prior to the ability to view the oceans from satellites, the only way people knew of a hurricane is if it hit land. So prior to the 1970's, there could have been many storms that happened that nobody knew about.

What you are believing to be more hurricanes is simply that we know of them more now than they did prior to the 1970's. The hurricane that hit Galveston Texas in 1900 killed anywhere from 6000 to 12,000 people as a Cat 4. That was because nobody knew it was coming at them until it hit. How many other hurricanes existed back then that nobody knew about?

Also on that link is a category for most named storms. Most of those are recent. However, the NOAA didn't start naming storms until 1953. Therefore those results will be skewed toward's the present.
Until we had radar, it was impossible to know just how many hurricanes, and tornados developed around the world. If someone didn't see it, it didn't happen.

And I know Salty is smart enough to know why hurricanes seem more devastating now.
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Until we had radar, it was impossible to know just how many hurricanes, and tornados developed around the world. If someone didn't see it, it didn't happen.

And I know Salty is smart enough to know why hurricanes seem more devastating now.
Yeah, that's another one that I have heard from the left. "Look at all the property damage and loss of life now compared to the early 1900's". You would think they would be smart enough to realize that most of those coast lines weren't nearly as populated then as they are now. But apparently, the obvious is oblivious to some of them.
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Yeah, that's another one that I have heard from the left. "Look at all the property damage and loss of life now compared to the early 1900's". You would think they would be smart enough to realize that most of those coast lines weren't nearly as populated then as they are now. But apparently, the obvious is oblivious to some of them.
Yeah, remember when they whined about Super storm Sandy flooding a ton of new homes in an area that people in the early 1900's knew not to build in?
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These people apparently understand that they are in a naturally wild fire prone area.So they use goats to keep the brush cleared in order to set up a fire break, have sprinklers set up on the roof and around the perimeter and implemented other measures to protect the building. I kind of wonder how many less wild fires they would have each year in California if they controlled the brush.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/go...mgN?li=BBnbcA1
LOS ANGELES – As a fast-growing wildfire scorched a corner of Simi Valley , California, flames came within a few feet of the Ronald Reagan Presidential Library, and an unlikely hero may have saved the day.

The structure was threatened but undamaged Wednesday morning by the so-called Easy Fire. Goats that grazed on vegetation near the property are partially to thank for why the building remains standing.

In other words, goats are the G.O.A.T.

Library spokeswoman Melissa Giller said the Ventura County Fire Department brings hundreds of goats every May to eat the brush around the perimeter of the library to create a fire break.

"The firefighters on the property said that the fire break really helped them because as the fire was coming up that one hill, all the brush has been cleared, basically," she said.

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When he arrived at 6 a.m., the landscaping sprinklers were already engaged. At one point, about 50 or 60 fire trucks were on the hilltop fighting the fire and protecting the buildings. Shifting winds helped, too. And, of course, the goats.

"So right now, we are safe," Giller said.

'When I smelled that smoke ... here we go again': Weary Californians seek shelter amid latest wildfire outbreak

The building was built with fire protection in mind. The hilltop complex was fitted with a landscape irrigation system that extends out beyond the normal boundaries of the property.

Also, the building is fully equipped with sprinklers, with some on the roof, said Ben Anderson of the Jacobs Engineering Group in Boston, which acquired the architectural firm that designed the library and museum.


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The museum and galleries also have fire doors, Giller said.

"So God forbid, if a fire was to breach inside the building, the doors close and traps the fire in that specific gallery," she said. "A fire can't get through those doors."
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