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Right now 2 things
We have more c02 than anytime since 18 million years ago
And we are increasing c02 output of c02 more rapidly than ever before
You, of course, can back up those statements?

CO2 is carbon + oxygen. We have basically the same amount of each as 18 million years ago. Give or take a little that leaves earth and a little that falls to earth.

But here's the score card.

Number of catastrophic climate change events in 18 million years - 6 +

Number since mankind first evolved on earth. - 0

Must be something else going on.
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climate changes yearly and over 100s and thousands of years naturally.
And it is starting to do a number again.. Why can't you fellows understand this... , �� ��
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You, of course, can back up those statements?

CO2 is carbon + oxygen. We have basically the same amount of each as 18 million years ago. Give or take a little that leaves earth and a little that falls to earth.

But here's the score card.

Number of catastrophic climate change events in 18 million years - 6 +

Number since mankind first evolved on earth. - 0

Must be something else going on.
Sorry, don't know where I got 18 at. more carbon dioxide concentration than the earth has had in three million years.
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The concentration of carbon dioxide (CO2) in the atmosphere reached 405.5 parts per million (ppm) in 2017, the highest in at least three million years and a 45 percent jump since the preindustrial era.

The last time CO2 was at that level, oceans were 10-20 meters higher.

Concentrations of the second most important greenhouse gas, methane (CH4), have also risen sharply due to leakage from the gas industry's fracking boom and flatulence from expanding livestock. https://news.abs-cbn.com/focus/12/01...climate-change
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And it is starting to do a number again.. Why can't you fellows understand this... , �� ��
Based on past experiences over the past 18 million years I'd say it's a certainty that the earth is a constant state of variables. The present situation is no different. There will be another warming period. Another cold period. But that's not the issue. The issue is whether or not it's something we did and can do something about or the natural order of things. I say natural order.

But assuming man is the main cause, what do we do? The obvious answer is control the population. But that's not politically probable. Planting trees will help. They are nature's CO2 converters. The rest of the solutions postulated are minor by comparison.
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Based on past experiences over the past 18 million years I'd say it's a certainty that the earth is a constant state of variables. The present situation is no different. There will be another warming period. Another cold period. But that's not the issue. The issue is whether or not it's something we did and can do something about or the natural order of things. I say natural order.

But assuming man is the main cause, what do we do? The obvious answer is control the population. But that's not politically probable. Planting trees will help. They are nature's CO2 converters. The rest of the solutions postulated are minor by comparison.
I agree these would help
social change can be brought about gradually. promoting smaller families is a task we can and must imho take on. we promote all sorts of social change already. through advertising, school, and invention/new products.
Also, a big help would be to finally make the effort to get off a great portion of fossil fuel and get on alternatives.
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Based on past experiences over the past 18 million years I'd say it's a certainty that the earth is a constant state of variables.


TRUE The present situation is no different.

I disagree.

There will be another warming period. Another cold period. But that's not the issue. The issue is whether or not it's something we did and can do something about or the natural order of things. I say natural order.

And I say if we come this far lets break this cycle. As for as long as we have weather data, millions of years, ... But no one to try and make adjustments during it all.

That is the difference.


But assuming man is the main cause, what do we do? The obvious answer is control the population. But that's not politically probable. Planting trees will help. They are nature's CO2 converters. The rest of the solutions postulated are minor by comparison.
And why has the government even in this.. Mankind needs to make the adjustments themselves.

The govts., then would get involved with big business.

Business that don't enact and gain actual results could be boycotted. Give more thought to this..
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And why has the government even in this.. Mankind needs to make the adjustments themselves.

The govts., then would get involved with big business.

Business that don't enact and gain actual results could be boycotted. Give more thought to this..
You are right haha, People are retarded nowadays as to putting one foot in front of the other and common sense. it's amazing and sad.
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The US has lowered Greenhouse gas emissions by 12% since 2005.
North America is a net carbon sink.
We, as a country are doing our part.
Maybe its time for some of the other parts of the world to step up.
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You are right haha, People are retarded nowadays as to putting one foot in front of the other and common sense. it's amazing and sad.
Actually most people today don't want to be among the first to act. Unlike times of old when people took responsibility and stepped up.
Like the fact only .01 % of Americans have served in the Military


[quotePercent of population in the military

At any given time in the past decade, less than 1 percent of the American population has been on active military duty, compared with 9 percent of Americans who were in uniform in World War II.]
https://www.bing.com/search?q=What+p...37AB278D14C2AC[/quote]



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The US has lowered Greenhouse gas emissions by 12% since 2005.
North America is a net carbon sink.
We, as a country are doing our part.
Maybe its time for some of the other parts of the world to step up.


Very True loboloco.. Yet America can do more by getting into C.C./wARMING..


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