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because of exec orders under reagan and bush II not giving a frack guess how much WORSE the water pollution is NOW than when we tried to start protecting resources?
Once again, for the reading impaired, I'm not saying that we should do what we can to protect the water and the environment from polluters. The issue is that the EPA took it too far and tried to go after people for defying their authority. When you start fining couples $75,000 a day for a stock pond on their property, you've gone too far!
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Yes, the Obama admin reworded the Clean water act to remove the word "Navigable" from the definition of waterways thereby paving the way to allow the EPA to regulate and property that has standing water at any time, i.e. mud puddles.

The EPA denied that they were looking to do this and we should take their word for it that they would never do such a thing. However, a Wyoming couple would beg to differ:



https://hotair.com/archives/2014/03/...ean-water-act/
The all powerful Federal government at work. Gee we need more of that.
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The Constitution only grants the federal government limited powers and having an agency like the EPA is not one of the powers the federal government was granted. It has usurped power it never was supposed to have, and the EPA is just one example of many powers the federal government has illegally taken over.
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The Constitution only grants the federal government limited powers and having an agency like the EPA is not one of the powers the federal government was granted. It has usurped power it never was supposed to have, and the EPA is just one example of many powers the federal government has illegally taken over.
Unfortunately, previous Congress's have voted away the power granted to them by the Constitution, to these Federal Agencies under the umbrella of the Executive branch thus creating a more powerful office of the President. Until Congress reclaims these powers, we will continue to suffer through onerous regulations instituted by these agencies.
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I can see now why the administration tries to keep him at all cost; he's a gold mine for big polluters.

Pruitt seeks to limit EPA's authority to block water pollution permits | TheHill



Sounds OK right? Read on:
Sounds like a rollback of another overreach of an Obama reg. Clean water act of 2015.

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/epa-...ry?id=55920448

Exactly what the Donald was hired to do.
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Once again, for the reading impaired, I'm not saying that we should do what we can to protect the water and the environment from polluters. The issue is that the EPA took it too far and tried to go after people for defying their authority. When you start fining couples $75,000 a day for a stock pond on their property, you've gone too far!
that pretty much depends on the circumstances and location. if the pond feeds into other water ways or systems it might be just.
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The Constitution only grants the federal government limited powers and having an agency like the EPA is not one of the powers the federal government was granted. It has usurped power it never was supposed to have, and the EPA is just one example of many powers the federal government has illegally taken over.
neither is the VA but times have changed a bit since the 17 and 1800s.
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that pretty much depends on the circumstances and location. if the pond feeds into other water ways or systems it might be just.
I've got news for you, EVERY POND FEEDS INTO ANOTHER WATER SYSTEM! I should know, I have one.

However, if you are uninformed about how they are built and how they function, you may think that they are self contained. But what you don't realize is that most ponds have what are called "overflow" systems that release water into other waters systems if they become too full from their water source (i.e. rain, stream flow, etc.) Even ponds without built in overflows, will drain into other water systems should be become too full.

The problem is that the EPA changed the language in their regulations that allowed them to take control over ANY property that at any time could have standing water that could potentially flow into other water sources. That means that if you have a low spot in your yard that collects water during a heavy rain, the EPA believed they could come in and fine you or take over your land because of the puddle.

Is that really what you want our gov't doing? Or are you just ok with it because it was Obama's EPA that did it. If Trump's EPA implemented that language in it's regulations, you would be screaming that he's a dictator, blah, blah, blah.
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