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Yes, Some Extreme Weather Can Be Blamed on Climate Change

A leading scientist explains that improved computing and statistics can tie extreme events to global warming


Droughts, wildfires, heat waves, intense rainstorms—these are all extreme weather phenomena that occur naturally. But climate change is now increasing the frequency and magnitude of many of these events.

Flooding in Paris and the Arctic heat wave are just two instances where climate change contributed to extreme weather in 2016—and there are many more examples.

Yet how do scientists know that global warming influenced a specific event? Until recently, they couldn’t answer this question, but the field of “attribution science” has made immense progress in the last five years. Researchers can now tell people how climate change impacts them, and not 50 or 100 years from now—today.

Scientific American spoke with Friederike Otto, deputy director of the Environmental Change Institute at the University of Oxford, about how attribution science works and why it’s a critical part of helping communities prepare for and adapt to climate change.
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Of course climate change is responsible for extreme weather. I am under the impression that "Climate Change" is something that is natural and constant, and has been happening everyday since the beginning of time

Does climate change now mean "Man made weather"?

My wife said this weekend, if mankind is responsible for ruining the earth, why don't we hear about population control?

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Of course climate change is responsible for extreme weather. I am under the impression that "Climate Change" is something that is natural and constant, and has been happening everyday since the beginning of time

Dog Man this is you're stake about C.C. Not Science interpertation[/I]

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What Is the Difference Between Weather and Climate?

Weather is the short-term changes we see in temperature, clouds, precipitation, humidity and wind in a region or a city. Weather can vary greatly from one day to the next, or even within the same day. In the morning the weather may be cloudy and cool. But by afternoon it may be sunny and warm.

The climate of a region or city is its weather averaged over many years. This is usually different for different seasons. For example, a region or city may tend to be warm and humid during summer. But it may tend to be cold and snowy during winter.

The climate of a city, region or the entire planet changes very slowly. These changes take place on the scale of tens, hundreds and thousands of years.


Is Earth's Climate Changing?


https://www.nasa.gov/audience/forstu...change-58.html

Does climate change now mean "Man made weather"?

Remember 'Chem Trails..' Man made (military grade) full blown man messing with the Weather using Planes & Harp Project.

My wife said this weekend, if mankind is responsible for ruining the earth, why don't we hear about population control?[
Which Nation is willing to say all killer's and over 75 must die? Damn true this planet has over 1 billion to many persons.. So whom decides?
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In our experimental set-up, we simulate the event in today’s world, and then we remove anthropogenic emissions from the climate model's atmosphere, and do the same experiment again. So the only thing we have changed is the anthropogenic forcing. In the simulations, the world we live in and the world that might have been have the same large-scale patterns, like El Niño. So we’re asking, "Assuming everything else being equal, what is the influence of greenhouse gas emissions?"
That's all well and good. Science has always been about creating controlled situations, observing what happens, creating theory and then repeating the controlled situation to see if one observes the same thing happening over and over again.

The problem with climate science is that we don't have a controlled situation. We don't have an entire planet to use as a control subject where we can arbitrarily add or remove factors (such as CO2). We do have computers that are supposed to tell us what to expect. But all the data that the computer has is input by people, some of that data is theoretical. We have no way of inputting exact data any older than about 100 years (if even that old). The planet has been around a lot longer than that. The climate has been changing for as long as the planet has existed.

We know that under the arctic permafrost there is both decomposed and un-decomposed plant material. That means that at one point the planet was much warmer than today. We know that vast regions of what is now the USA was once under glaciers. That means that at one point the planet was much cooler than it is today. We don't know exactly what year these conditions existed, only roughly when they occurred. We can only theorize what caused previous warming or cooling periods. We can only theorize what may cause future warming or cooling based upon our limited knowledge of planetary history.

Humans don't really have much impact on long term planetary climate because there are too many major and significant variables which are far beyond our control. Things such as volcanoes, solar activity, asteroid impact, possibly plate tectonics and continental drift being among them.
I suppose that some serious large use of thermonuclear explosions would impact the climate over a somewhat long term but I don't see any climate scientists suggesting we detonate nuclear bombs to cool the planet via a "nuclear winter" in order to stop global warming.
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That's all well and good. Science has always been about creating controlled situations, observing what happens, creating theory and then repeating the controlled situation to see if one observes the same thing happening over and over again.

The problem with climate science is that we don't have a controlled situation. We don't have an entire planet to use as a control subject where we can arbitrarily add or remove factors (such as CO2). We do have computers that are supposed to tell us what to expect. But all the data that the computer has is input by people, some of that data is theoretical. We have no way of inputting exact data any older than about 100 years (if even that old). The planet has been around a lot longer than that. The climate has been changing for as long as the planet has existed.

We know that under the arctic permafrost there is both decomposed and un-decomposed plant material. That means that at one point the planet was much warmer than today. We know that vast regions of what is now the USA was once under glaciers. That means that at one point the planet was much cooler than it is today. We don't know exactly what year these conditions existed, only roughly when they occurred. We can only theorize what caused previous warming or cooling periods. We can only theorize what may cause future warming or cooling based upon our limited knowledge of planetary history.

Humans don't really have much impact on long term planetary climate because there are too many major and significant variables which are far beyond our control. Things such as volcanoes, solar activity, asteroid impact, possibly plate tectonics and continental drift being among them.
I suppose that some serious large use of thermonuclear explosions would impact the climate over a somewhat long term but I don't see any climate scientists suggesting we detonate nuclear bombs to cool the planet via a "nuclear winter" in order to stop global warming.
It should be obvious to everyone that the earth has went through many climate shifts. I'm glad we are working on alternative energy. I believe that a lot of health problems stem from the air we breathe. But I don't think it's going to cause the planet to do anything out of the ordinary.
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It should be obvious to everyone that the earth has went through many climate shifts. I'm glad we are working on alternative energy. I believe that a lot of health problems stem from the air we breathe.

But I don't think it's going to cause the planet to do anything out of the ordinary.



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I would say expectations based on reality. The Earths climate has been in a constant state of change since it had a climate. The fallacy in climate change alarm ism is the belief that the climate we are now experiencing, is "normal" and any change to that climate is somehow the fault of something man-made.

I can say that in the past 30 years, I have notice a slight change to the seasons. I officiated HS football for 25 years (been retired for the last 5). When I started, it was not uncommon to have snow during the last 3-4 games of the year. Now the weather for the last few games is warm enough for short sleeved shirts or light jackets. (I still go to the local HS games).

Also, I remember when I ran track in HS, very rarely was it cold enough to have to wear much more than a light jacket even in the first few meets of the season which always started in late March. All of my children either ran or are currently on the track team. It is now common to have snow or freezing rain during the first half of the season. I have been to track meets in May where it was snowing. We never had that when I was a kid.

So I do agree that the climate is changing. In my opinion based on my experience, it seems like the seasons have shifted a month or so later. The falls seem warmer and the springs seem colder now. The question is, is this a result of man-made events or is this just a normal cycle in the ever changing climate? As I have heard similar stories from my parents and grandparents about the temperature shifts from when they grew up, I tend to favor the opinion that this is just a normal cycle of climate.

Now that is not to say that I don't believe that we should do everything we can to reduce pollution. I abhor pollution and litter. I believe we should make practical decisions about energy generation and use when it comes to pollution vs. need. But I also don't believe that it has the affect on the climate that some claim it has. If we as a civilization can find practical means of using renewable energies, I am all for it. But until we do, we cannot abandon fossil fuels.
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I would say expectations based on reality. The Earths climate has been in a constant state of change since it had a climate. The fallacy in climate change alarm ism is the belief that the climate we are now experiencing, is "normal" and any change to that climate is somehow the fault of something man-made.

I can say that in the past 30 years, I have notice a slight change to the seasons. I officiated HS football for 25 years (been retired for the last 5). When I started, it was not uncommon to have snow during the last 3-4 games of the year. Now the weather for the last few games is warm enough for short sleeved shirts or light jackets. (I still go to the local HS games).

Also, I remember when I ran track in HS, very rarely was it cold enough to have to wear much more than a light jacket even in the first few meets of the season which always started in late March. All of my children either ran or are currently on the track team. It is now common to have snow or freezing rain during the first half of the season. I have been to track meets in May where it was snowing. We never had that when I was a kid.

So I do agree that the climate is changing. In my opinion based on my experience, it seems like the seasons have shifted a month or so later. The falls seem warmer and the springs seem colder now. The question is, is this a result of man-made events or is this just a normal cycle in the ever changing climate? As I have heard similar stories from my parents and grandparents about the temperature shifts from when they grew up, I tend to favor the opinion that this is just a normal cycle of climate.

Now that is not to say that I don't believe that we should do everything we can to reduce pollution. I abhor pollution and litter. I believe we should make practical decisions about energy generation and use when it comes to pollution vs. need. But I also don't believe that it has the affect on the climate that some claim it has. If we as a civilization can find practical means of using renewable energies, I am all for it. But until we do, we cannot abandon fossil fuels.
Wholeheartedly agree, I feel the same season shift here in the Southwest.

I like to see the max highs and lows for each day on our local news. Many record temps, both high's and lows go back to the 1930's
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I would say expectations based on reality. The Earths climate has been in a constant state of change since it had a climate. The fallacy in climate change alarm ism is the belief that the climate we are now experiencing, is "normal" and any change to that climate is somehow the fault of something man-made.

I can say that in the past 30 years, I have notice a slight change to the seasons. I officiated HS football for 25 years (been retired for the last 5). When I started, it was not uncommon to have snow during the last 3-4 games of the year. Now the weather for the last few games is warm enough for short sleeved shirts or light jackets. (I still go to the local HS games).

Also, I remember when I ran track in HS, very rarely was it cold enough to have to wear much more than a light jacket even in the first few meets of the season which always started in late March. All of my children either ran or are currently on the track team. It is now common to have snow or freezing rain during the first half of the season. I have been to track meets in May where it was snowing. We never had that when I was a kid.

So I do agree that the climate is changing. In my opinion based on my experience, it seems like the seasons have shifted a month or so later. The falls seem warmer and the springs seem colder now. The question is, is this a result of man-made events or is this just a normal cycle in the ever changing climate? As I have heard similar stories from my parents and grandparents about the temperature shifts from when they grew up, I tend to favor the opinion that this is just a normal cycle of climate.

Now that is not to say that I don't believe that we should do everything we can to reduce pollution. I abhor pollution and litter. I believe we should make practical decisions about energy generation and use when it comes to pollution vs. need. But I also don't believe that it has the affect on the climate that some claim it has. If we as a civilization can find practical means of using renewable energies, I am all for it. But until we do, we cannot abandon fossil fuels.
Nobody knows what the "normal" temperature of the earth should be over the long term.
Yes, we should be vigilant about pollution.
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My wife said this weekend, if mankind is responsible for ruining the earth, why don't we hear about population control?[


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their are people in the plutocracy and some scientist talking about population control to stop "climate Change" and various other so called environmental disasters and/or the breakdown of civilization.

It's just not kosher politicians the media and scientist to mention it publicly.
When it is mentioned it's mentioned sideways with "benign" suggestions about what the optimum or maximum number of people on the planet or a region should be... 'or where all going to die'.

As far as recommendations go on lowering numbers ...that some think are already to high... right now there the promotion of abortions, contraception of all types and small families world wide. Then there's growing legalizing of euthanasia for "humanitarian" purposes. Which have often morph into the socialized med providers and "medical experts" making the decisions. On the extreme there are some reports of fertility reducing drugs and the like in the water supply.

Beyond that those that want more are hesitant to say much. However, like your wife, they do ask the question WHO makes the call and by what criteria. Of course they seem to think they will be among those that "make the call".

Bill Nye Has Had Enough Of Your ‘Extra Kids’
The 13th and final installment is titled “Earth’s People Problem,”
Nye: So, should we have policies that penalize people for having extra kids in the developed world?
Travis Rieder: I do think that we should at least consider it.
Nye: Well, ‘at least consider it’ is like ‘Do it.’
Rieder: One of the things that we could do that’s kind of least policy-ish is we could encourage our culture and our norms to change, right?
Travis Rieder, PhD, is the Assistant Director for Education Initiatives at the Berman Institute, and the Program Director for the Master of Bio"ethics" degree program
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