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I think she was talking about the cooking of crabs or lobsters, and she meant to say that she could not eat any animal that was still alive before it was cooked. But the word "killed" instead of "cooked" appeared in the quote. I can't find it anymore. This was about 8 to 10 years ago, if I remember correctly.

Anyway back to the herbivores.
you have to boil crabs while they are still alive. perhaps that's what he's thinking of?
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I have no doubt they believe it is healthier, but that doesn't change the fact that every single vegan I've met has been anal. I'll give you an example:

Last spring I attended a gathering in nearby NC that was promoted as a sacred fire circle. I love events like this because I love fire, love ritual, and love to drum and sing, which happens a lot at at fire circles. It started with a pot luck, which is also common at events like this, and that is when I learned that this wasn't the group for me.

It turned out that I was the only non-vegan present, and here we get to the anal part: before we ate, we went around the room and each person had to name every ingredient that was in each dish they brought! I've attended many a pot luck, and many had vegans and vegetarians present, but I've never ever seen it required that people had to name every ingredient in what they brought. Of coursed no one ate my pasta salad because it had - HORRORS - mayonnaise in it.

More anal vegan stuff: my extremely anal sister-in-law became vegan years ago, and my equally anal brother became one a couple of years ago. Last year I wanted to get my Penn State fan brother a Nittany Lion scarf and gloves, and when I asked his wife if he already had them, she said they could NOT be made of wool; it could only be acrylic.

I've attended a sheep shearing where I saw that the sheep are not harmed in any way, and they were very active and happy afterward to have that heavy coat removed, so there's no reason to avoid wool, other than the fact that it is - HORRORS AGAIN - an ANIMAL PRODUCT.

Of course I haven't met every vegan, but it is a fact that every single one I've met has been a very anal person, and BTW that is an observation, not an attack. I find vegans annoying, but of course they have every right to avoid foods they don't want, and I have a right to my opinion about anal people.
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I've never figured out the advantages of vegan. Apparently some people think it's a good idea to refuse the tasty parts of cows and chickens and consume the not so tasty parts, the eggs, milk and cheese. The Thais and Cambodians eat almost hatched eggs. Are they meat or eggs?

Vegetarian I get. Vegan not so much. Anyway, aren't cows and chickens just nature's vegetable processing machines? And if we eat cows and pigs aren't we just processing cows into plant digestible animals?
look at it the other way around.

cows are big and require more land just to eat grass and sht. they trample most everything into mud or dust plus they range. that makes a lot of land uninhabitable for a lot of other life, and takes that land out of the running as a potential vegetable producer.
smaller animals dont do near the damage and we can get all our protein from grass and legume combinations (rice and beans for instance).

As moderation is the key in most things, I think eating beef or pork once in a blue moon as a treat would greatly lower the harm to our environment and our health.
A vegetarian meal once a week and rabbit, lamb or chicken the rest of the time.
we need to get rid of huge chicken farms with hormones but that's for another thread.
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look at it the other way around.

cows are big and require more land just to eat grass and sht. they trample most everything into mud or dust plus they range. that makes a lot of land uninhabitable for a lot of other life, and takes that land out of the running as a potential vegetable producer.
smaller animals dont do near the damage and we can get all our protein from grass and legume combinations (rice and beans for instance).

As moderation is the key in most things, I think eating beef or pork once in a blue moon as a treat would greatly lower the harm to our environment and our health.
A vegetarian meal once a week and rabbit, lamb or chicken the rest of the time.
we need to get rid of huge chicken farms with hormones but that's for another thread.
Actually I was trying to make a semi serious funny. I think I got it backwards vegans don't eat cow and chicken stuff.

I'm not sure that smaller is better thing is valid. A rabbit certainly requires less resources to become meat, but how that equates to cost/pound remains to be seen. In the end though, 100% of the cow product remains in the ecosystem, as does 100% of the rabbit and wheat product. Even your cow+ mud example is flawed. Mud puddles provide environment for mud loving life, including rice.

In the end, man cannot do much to alter the environment over the long haul.
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Actually I was trying to make a semi serious funny. I think I got it backwards vegans don't eat cow and chicken stuff.

I'm not sure that smaller is better thing is valid. A rabbit certainly requires less resources to become meat, but how that equates to cost/pound remains to be seen. In the end though, 100% of the cow product remains in the ecosystem, as does 100% of the rabbit and wheat product. Even your cow+ mud example is flawed. Mud puddles provide environment for mud loving life, including rice.

In the end, man cannot do much to alter the environment over the long haul.
yes you can but not if you don't believe you can.
little engine

there are numerous charts on large animals vs small ones. on the net.
you can't grow rice where cattle have been for at least a couple years. too rich.
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