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An inconvenient commentary: 5 times climate alarmists made horribly wrong predictions – TheBlaze

1. New York Times: Polar explorer predicts end of ice at the North Pole (1969)

2. Al Gore: Only 10 years left to avoid total disaster (2006)

3. New York Times: ‘New ice age on the way’ (1975)

4. United Nations: ‘Entire nations could be wiped off the face of the earth’ (1989)

5. Al Gore: The final ‘snows of Kilimanjaro’ (2006)
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Ghost forests increasing...

Climate change before your eyes: Seas rise and trees die
Aug 1, 2017 — They're called "ghost forests" — dead trees along vast swaths of coastline invaded by rising seas, something scientists call one of the most visible markers of climate change.
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The process has happened naturally for thousands of years, but it has accelerated in recent decades as polar ice melts and raises sea levels, scientists say, pushing salt water farther inland and killing trees in what used to be thriving freshwater plains. Efforts are underway worldwide to determine exactly how quickly the creation of ghost forests is increasing. But scientists agree the startling sight of dead trees in once-healthy areas is an easy-to-grasp example of the consequences of climate change. "I think ghost forests are the most obvious indicator of climate change anywhere on the Eastern coast of the U.S.," said Matthew Kirwan, a professor at Virginia Institute of Marine Science who is studying ghost forests in his state and Maryland. "It was dry, usable land 50 years ago; now it's marshes with dead stumps and dead trees."

It is happening around the world, but researchers say new ghost forests are particularly apparent in North America, with hundreds of thousands of acres of salt-killed trees stretching from Canada down the East Coast, around Florida and over to Texas. The intruding salt water changes coastal ecosystems, creating marshes where forests used to be. This has numerous effects on the environment, though many scientists caution against viewing them in terms of "good" or "bad." What benefits one species or ecosystem might harm another one, they say. For instance, migratory birds that rely on coastal forests have less habitat. And the death of the trees makes soil microbes release nitrogen, which adds to nitrogen already occurring from other sources, including agricultural runoff, to contribute to algae blooms and reduced oxygen that can sicken or kill fish. But the conversion of forest into marshland produces "extremely productive" wetlands that feed and shelter fish and shellfish.


The sun rises on a "ghost forest" near the Savannah River in Port Wentworth, Ga

The Atlantic croaker fish, for instance, was rare 15 years ago in southern New Jersey waters but now is abundant, said Ken Able, a Rutgers University professor. "There is a lot of change going on," said Greg Noe, a research ecologist with the U.S. Geological Survey. "It's dramatic and it's changing faster than it has before in human history." Quantifying the rate of increase in ghost forests is a major focus of Able's research. Some scientists say the increase began around the time of the Industrial Revolution, while others say the speedup began more recently than that. In the past 100 years, Kirwan said, 100,000 acres of forest in the Chesapeake Bay has converted to marshland. Photographs show the rate of coastal forest loss is four times greater now than it was during the 1930s, he said.

Seas off the East Coast have risen by 1.3 feet over the last 100 years, said Ben Horton, a Rutgers University professor and expert on sea level rise. That is a faster pace than for the past 2,000 years combined, he said. Some of the most dramatic anecdotal evidence of the acceleration in ghost forest creation is along the Savannah River between Georgia and South Carolina, Noe said. When his team first got there 10 years ago, "it looked like the trees were under a little stress, but they were all alive," he said. "But five years later, the vast majority of them were dead. That happened right in front of our eyes, much faster than we expected." Marcelo Ardon, a biology professor at North Carolina State University, studied one site called the Palmetto Pear Tree Preserve on Albemarle Sound in North Carolina from 2006 to 2009. When he returned in 2016, he said, "what used to look like a healthy cypress swamp, now the trees are dead and the water level is a lot higher. The place has completely changed. I've checked overhead satellite photos and you can see the trees dying."

In southern New Jersey, the most affected species is the Atlantic white cedar, which was a mainstay of the shipbuilding industry because of its resistance to rot. Farther south, cypress, loblolly pines and Eastern red cedar are dying. Large storms can drive salt water further inland and kill trees; 2012's Superstorm Sandy is believed to have led to the deaths of some trees in southern New Jersey, Able said. The difference, Kirwan said, is that in the past, flooded areas would dry out before salt water killed most of the trees. "That same storm 100 years ago would also have killed trees," he said. "But 100 years ago that same land wouldn't have been so wet that new trees couldn't get established and replace the dead ones. That's a big part of where sea level rise comes in."

Climate change before your eyes: Seas rise and trees die - ABC News
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So your answer is in the last bit of the article. Storm surge from hurricane Sandy brought salt water inland.

As for the claim sea levels are 1.3 ft. above their 100 year ago level, I would have to see the actual data that states such. I have never heard of that. I will not take this from the person who wrote the article. I want independent science, not science from a global warming hack.

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Al Gore, the prognosticator of a Snowless Kilimanjaro mountain to 20 feet rise of the sea in Miami, uses enough power heating his Tennessee swimming pool to power 6 average American homes.

And yet he predicts if Americans don't change their ways we are all gonna die from AGW. In his defense he spends $462 a month to purchase carbon credits ( specifically alternative renewable energy programs) to offset his massive carbon footprint.
Al Gore's 'Inconvenient Truth'? -- A $30,000 Utility Bill - ABC News

I checke4d SNOPES. They rate claims a mixture of false and truth. But they haven't updated their evaluation since 2007.

His new movie, a sequel to An Inconvenient Truth, is out today. "Truth to Power"

http://www.philly.com/philly/columni...-20170802.html

Frankly it is a fish floundering on the beach gasping it's last breath. No wonder it smells fishy.
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Ghost forests increasing...

Climate change before your eyes: Seas rise and trees die
Aug 1, 2017 — They're called "ghost forests" — dead trees along vast swaths of coastline invaded by rising seas, something scientists call one of the most visible markers of climate change.
Anybody besides me ever take a look at those map projections of the earth over billions of years? The ones that show the continents all stuck together in one large continent. A land bridge across the Bering Strait. The Midwest a warm water ocean. The Midwest under miles of ice. Then there's those huge gigantic petrified trees laying loose in the middle of what is now desert incapable of sustaining flora over a few feet high.

The earth changes, That is not in dispute. That something that has gone on long before man is now man's fault is in dispute.

And now scientist Horton is claiming the east coast oceans have risen 1.3 feet in 100 years. I haven't observed that. The flood maps of 50 years ago indicate Virginia's low lying counties have not changed elevation in that time. And sea level rise is supposed to be accelerating. Mathews county has a high point of 12 feet today. The same as in the early flood maps.
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Al Gore, the prognosticator of a Snowless Kilimanjaro mountain to 20 feet rise of the sea in Miami, uses enough power heating his Tennessee swimming pool to power 6 average American homes.

And yet he predicts if Americans don't change their ways we are all gonna die from AGW. In his defense he spends $462 a month to purchase carbon credits ( specifically alternative renewable energy programs) to offset his massive carbon footprint.
Al Gore's 'Inconvenient Truth'? -- A $30,000 Utility Bill - ABC News

I checke4d SNOPES. They rate claims a mixture of false and truth. But they haven't updated their evaluation since 2007.

His new movie, a sequel to An Inconvenient Truth, is out today. "Truth to Power"

Al Gore makes for a wonky action hero in 'An Inconvenient Sequel: Truth to Power'

Frankly it is a fish floundering on the beach gasping it's last breath. No wonder it smells fishy.
Al must need a new infusion of money to pay the fuel bills on his multple mansions and his private jets and limos.

I doubt that his new movie is going to become this years blockbuster. Been there, done that, is not exactly a good movie plot.
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Were they really wrong?

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1. New York Times: Polar explorer predicts end of ice at the North Pole (1969)
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The New York Times reported on Feb. 20, 1969, “Col. Bernt Balchen, polar explorer and flier, is circulating a paper among polar specialists proposing that the Arctic pack ice is thinning and that the ocean at the North Pole may become an open sea within a decade or two. … A number of specialists believe that an ice-free Arctic Ocean would not freeze again.”
Not all of the Artic ice has melted but enough has melted to credit Col. Bernt Balchen with at least a half-true prediction.

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The Northwest Passage is a sea route that connects the Atlantic and Pacific Oceans through the Canadian Arctic Archipelago. In the past, the Northwest Passage has been virtually impassable because it was covered by thick, year-round sea ice. However, in the past few years, climate change is allowing commercial traffic to pass through the Arctic Ocean via this once-impossible route.
What is the Northwest Passage? A Map and a History.

The Artic ice has thinned so much that it's opened up the Artic for commercial shipping for part of year and that was unimaginable in 1969. Not too far off from the prediction.

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2. Al Gore: Only 10 years left to avoid total disaster (2006)
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“And politicians and corporations have been ignoring the issue for decades, to the point that unless drastic measures to reduce greenhouse gases are taken within the next 10 years, the world will reach a point of no return, Gore said,” according to CBS News’ story.
Not exactly wrong.

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April 13, 2015

Currently the atmospheric concentration of CO2 (the leading greenhouse gas) is approximately 398.55 parts per million (ppm). According to the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA), the federal scientific agency tasked with monitoring the health of our oceans and atmosphere,*the current average annual rate of increase of 1.92 ppm means we could reach the point of no return by 2042.
https://www.scientificamerican.com/a...limate-change/

Significant measures were not taken during the last ten years and it could be too late. Even with current proposed reductions it won't stop the rise in CO2 concentration. The "point of no return" refers to when run-away global warming occurs that could not be stopped by man. This could easily result in raising the Earth's temperatures into the uninhabitable range (i.e. above the boiling point of water).

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3. New York Times: ‘New ice age on the way’ (1975)
This is a misquote from the article that stated.

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There are specialists who say that a new ice age is on the way—the inevitable consequence of a natural cyclic process, or as a result of man-made pollution of the atmosphere. And there are those who say that such pollution may actually head off an ice age.

Sooner or later a major cooling of the climate is widely considered inevitable.
Global warming has always been followed by global cooling but the article doesn't imply when. It could be two thousand years from now.

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4. United Nations: ‘Entire nations could be wiped off the face of the earth’ (1989)
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The San Jose Mercury News (Calif.) reported on June 30, 1989, “A senior environmental official at the United Nations, Noel Brown, says entire nations could be wiped off the face of the earth by rising sea levels if global warming is not reversed by the year 2000. Coastal flooding and crop failures would create an exodus of ‘eco-refugees,’ threatening political chaos, said Brown, director of the New York office of the U.N. Environment Program.
Costal flooding and crop failures that will result in "eco-refugees" is still predicted because of global warming. This prediction is still valid.

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5. Al Gore: The final ‘snows of Kilimanjaro’ (2006)
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“Glaciers on the summit of Mt. Kilimanjaro have shrunk dramatically since the mid-19th century and are still continuing to shrink quite rapidly,” said Tad Pfeffer, of the Institute for Arctic and Alpine Research.

Even in the brutally thin air, it’s clear Kilimanjaro’s snow is far from all gone. This mountain remains an important laboratory for studying glacier loss around the world and for measuring the effect of climate change on atmospheric circulation.

Glaciologist Tad Pfeffer says snow may hang around Kilimanjaro for at least several more decades. Even after that, he predicts Kilimanjaro’s beauty will suffer
Kilimanjaro's Snows Gone by 2022?

It isn't the snow on Kilimanjaro that can occur seasonally that really matters. It's the glaciers that are melting and continue to melt at an alarming rate. When they're gone effectively the "Snows of Kilimanjaro" are gone.
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