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Please try to understand, deniers think this way. Whom benefits, why every living species that's all

Try to grasp this one fact GottaGo. It is going to be the last Unnatural or Natural Global Warming this planet will experience, as it is going to continual to experience rising temp.. No snaps to reign this warming in.
I disagree. I have never denied that the planet is going through climate change, I just don't believe taxing it will have any impact on the cycle, nor has mankind had any enormous impact.

Being taxed on a natural cycle does not benefit anyone but the organization that is receiving the money. It does not fix the problem, if there is one.

How can you predict it's the last one? This planet has been through many cycles, from freezing to volcanic, and species have survived. Damn the cockroach!
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It will be over soon.

http://www.express.co.uk/news/scienc...aunder-minimum

https://www.livescience.com/51597-ma...i-ice-age.html

https://nextgrandminimum.wordpress.com/

http://www.breitbart.com/big-governm...ed-to-silence/

https://www.forbes.com/forbes/welcom...URL=&referrer=

Add in a few volcano's and we get snow in June.

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Why do you say it isn't unprecedented? When it is proven 2016 was the hottest year on record.. And 2017 will be as hot or even hotter.

I can't understand your denial. Try to help me understand th[Is and your total denial of anything C.C.[/I]

I think it has to do with you might be charge and pay some rate if C.C., I]s seen to be real[/I]
Just how much isn't affordable to maintain our present Earth? And do you realize that if this does pan out to be very real in the end.

Deniers will become the other Terrorist trying to destroy our Planet..
It's not unprecedented because it's happened before. That's the definition.
Weather changes, climate changes. Long before those nasty people killing cars existed. What is known as the little ice age:

(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Little_Ice_Age)

produced a few cold periods divided by warm periods. 500 or so years ago. And history recorded it. Contemporary scholars wrote about it. The '30's in the US produced extremely hot and dry weather in the mid west regions. My grandma wrote about that, and she lived it. And we believe we know of at least 6 major world wide climate changes millions of years ago. Not exactly recorded, but we're fairly sure they happened. We find evidence of tropical dwelling extinct species underneath the ice, and cold dwelling species in steamy swamps. A few years ago on the Alaska coast, an entire settlement from the 1500's was uncovered when the ice melted.

Paying for it is no small part of the problem, both in cash and life style. In that you are correct.

How the hell does my opinion make me a terrorist? You and I agree on many things, on two we disagree. You put these two up on a debate forum, and when there is a debate suddenly people are negative, or terrorists.

You put threads up, if I have anything to say on the subject, I'll respond. That's how debate works.

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We are now being told that only a few Climate Scientist were hyping Global cooling in the 70's. It supposedly was all media hype as honest Scientists were promising global warming.

But both said it was caused by man.

As far as I can see it's the same crap,,,,;different day.



The 1970’s Global Cooling Compilation – looks much like today

Anthony Watts / March 1, 2013


A compilation of news articles on the global cooling scare of the 1970’s

pollution_sacrifice_DemocracyDoes the bullet point list for solutions to global cooling at right look familiar? It reads almost like some of the manifestos we get from warmists today, including the suspension of Democracy as the article in the Owosso Newspaper clearly demonstrates. Thanks to Poptech for the compilation.

During the 1970s the media promoted global cooling alarmism with dire threats of a new ice age. Extreme weather events were hyped as signs of the coming apocalypse and man-made pollution was blamed as the cause.

Environmental extremists called for everything from outlawing the internal combustion engine to communist style population controls. This media hype was found in newspapers, magazines, books and on television;
News articles*:
1970 – Colder Winters Held Dawn of New Ice Age – Scientists See Ice Age In the Future (The Washington Post, January 11, 1970)
1970 – Is Mankind Manufacturing a New Ice Age for Itself? (L.A. Times, January 15, 1970)
1970 – New Ice Age May Descend On Man (Sumter Daily Item, January 26, 1970)
1970 – Pollution Prospect A Chilling One (Owosso Argus-Press, January 26, 1970)
1970 – Pollution’s 2-way ‘Freeze’ On Society (Middlesboro Daily News, January 28, 1970)
1970 – Cold Facts About Pollution (The Southeast Missourian, January 29, 1970)
1970 – Pollution Could Cause Ice Age, Agency Reports (St. Petersburg Times, March 4, 1970)
1970 – Pollution Called Ice Age Threat (St. Petersburg Times, June 26, 1970)
1970 – Dirt Will .Bring New Ice Age (The Sydney Morning Herald, October 19, 1970)
1971 – Ice Age Refugee Dies Underground (The Montreal Gazette, Febuary 17, 1971)
1971 – U.S. Scientist Sees New Ice Age Coming (The Washington Post, July 9, 1971)
1971 – Ice Age Around the Corner (Chicago Tribune, July 10, 1971)
1971 – New Ice Age Coming – It’s Already Getting Colder (L.A. Times, October 24, 1971)
1971 – Another Ice Age? Pollution Blocking Sunlight (The Day, November 1, 1971)
1971 – Air Pollution Could Bring An Ice Age (Harlan Daily Enterprise, November 4, 1971)
1972 – Air pollution may cause ice age (Free-Lance Star, February 3, 1972)
1972 – Scientist Says New ice Age Coming (The Ledger, February 13, 1972)
1972 – Scientist predicts new ice age (Free-Lance Star, September 11, 1972)
1972 – British expert on Climate Change says Says New Ice Age Creeping Over Northern Hemisphere (Lewiston Evening Journal, September 11, 1972)
1972 – Climate Seen Cooling For Return Of Ice Age (Portsmouth Times, ‎September 11, 1972‎)
1972 – New Ice Age Slipping Over North (Press-Courier, September 11, 1972)
1972 – Ice Age Begins A New Assault In North (The Age, September 12, 1972)
1972 – Weather To Get Colder (Montreal Gazette, ‎September 12, 1972‎)
1972 – British climate expert predicts new Ice Age (The Christian Science Monitor, September 23, 1972)
1972 – Scientist Sees Chilling Signs of New Ice Age (L.A. Times, September 24, 1972)
1972 – Science: Another Ice Age? (Time Magazine, November 13, 1972)
1973 – The Ice Age Cometh (The Saturday Review, March 24, 1973)
1973 – Weather-watchers think another ice age may be on the way (The Christian Science Monitor, December 11, 1973)
1974 – New evidence indicates ice age here (Eugene Register-Guard, May 29, 1974)
1974 – Another Ice Age? (Time Magazine, June 24, 1974)
1974 – 2 Scientists Think ‘Little’ Ice Age Near (The Hartford Courant, August 11, 1974)
1974 – Ice Age, worse food crisis seen (The Chicago Tribune, October 30, 1974)
1974 – Believes Pollution Could Bring On Ice Age (Ludington Daily News, December 4, 1974)
1974 – Pollution Could Spur Ice Age, Nasa Says (Beaver Country Times, ‎December 4, 1974‎)
1974 – Air Pollution May Trigger Ice Age, Scientists Feel (The Telegraph, ‎December 5, 1974‎)
1974 – More Air Pollution Could Trigger Ice Age Disaster (Daily Sentinel – ‎December 5, 1974‎)
1974 – Scientists Fear Smog Could Cause Ice Age (Milwaukee Journal, December 5, 1974)
1975 – Climate Changes Called Ominous (The New York Times, January 19, 1975)
1975 – Climate Change: Chilling Possibilities (Science News, March 1, 1975)
1975 – B-r-r-r-r: New Ice Age on way soon? (The Chicago Tribune, March 2, 1975)
1975 – Cooling Trends Arouse Fear That New Ice Age Coming (Eugene Register-Guard, ‎March 2, 1975‎)
1975 – Is Another Ice Age Due? Arctic Ice Expands In Last Decade (Youngstown Vindicator – ‎March 2, 1975‎)
1975 – Is Earth Headed For Another Ice Age? (Reading Eagle, March 2, 1975)
1975 – New Ice Age Dawning? Significant Shift In Climate Seen (Times Daily, ‎March 2, 1975‎)
1975 – There’s Troublesome Weather Ahead (Tri City Herald, ‎March 2, 1975‎)
1975 – Is Earth Doomed To Live Through Another Ice Age? (The Robesonian, ‎March 3, 1975‎)
1975 – The Ice Age cometh: the system that controls our climate (The Chicago Tribune, April 13, 1975)
1975 – The Cooling World (Newsweek, April 28, 1975)
1975 – Scientists Ask Why World Climate Is Changing; Major Cooling May Be Ahead (PDF) (The New York Times, May 21, 1975)
1975 – In the Grip of a New Ice Age? (International Wildlife, July-August, 1975)
1975 – Oil Spill Could Cause New Ice Age (Milwaukee Journal, December 11, 1975)
1976 – The Cooling: Has the Next Ice Age Already Begun? [Book] (Lowell Ponte, 1976)
1977 – Blizzard – What Happens if it Doesn’t Stop? [Book] (George Stone, 1977)
1977 – The Weather Conspiracy: The Coming of the New Ice Age [Book] (The Impact Team, 1977)
1976 – Worrisome CIA Report; Even U.S. Farms May be Hit by Cooling Trend (U.S. News & World Report, May 31, 1976)
1977 – The Big Freeze (Time Magazine, January 31, 1977)
1977 – We Will Freeze in the Dark (Capital Cities Communications Documentary, Host: Nancy Dickerson, April 12, 1977)
1978 – The New Ice Age [Book] (Henry Gilfond, 1978)
1978 – Little Ice Age: Severe winters and cool summers ahead (Calgary Herald, January 10, 1978)
1978 – Winters Will Get Colder, ‘we’re Entering Little Ice Age’ (Ellensburg Daily Record, January 10, 1978)
1978 – Geologist Says Winters Getting Colder (Middlesboro Daily News, January 16, 1978)
1978 – It’s Going To Get Colder (Boca Raton News, ‎January 17, 1978‎)
1978 – Believe new ice age is coming (The Bryan Times, March 31, 1978)
1978 – The Coming Ice Age (In Search Of TV Show, Season 2, Episode 23, Host: Leonard Nimoy, May 1978)
1978 – An Ice Age Is Coming Weather Expert Fears (Milwaukee Sentinel, November 17, 1978)
1979 – A Choice of Catastrophes – The Disasters That Threaten Our World [Book] (Isaac Asimov, 1979)
1979 – Get Ready to Freeze (Spokane Daily Chronicle, October 12, 1979)
1979 – New ice age almost upon us? (The Christian Science Monitor, November 14, 1979)


* A couple of the news stories are duplicates in different papers with slightly different titles, this is intentional to show that these types of stories were not isolated to a certain regional paper.


And from the National Center for Atmospheric Research:

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Source: http://www.iaea.org/Publications/Mag...6505796265.pdf

While a silent majority of the scientific community may have been more skeptical, you ironically find one of the most outspoken supporters of modern day Al Gore style global warming alarmism was promoting global cooling in the 1970s, the late Dr. Steven Schneider;
“Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.“ – Life of Reason, George Santayana

Related articles
•CIA 1974 National Security Threat: Global Cooling/Excess Arctic Ice Causing Extreme Weather (climatedepot.com)
•1974 Shock News: Global Cooling To Kill One Billion People (junkscience.com)
•NCAR 1974 : Global Cooling And Extreme Weather Is The New Normal (stevengoddard.wordpress.com)

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(where I saw the name JIMBO from time to time)

Obvioulsy we need to pollute more, that will cool the earth off.

I suspect there are other, more veiled reasons for the such proclamations, but that is for another thread perhaps?


http://ia700402.us.archive.org/2/ite...ress00inte.pdf

Same tired complaints, recycled time and again, for the eternal “crisis which is our fault”.


The ‘solutions’ always remain the same even though the scare has evolved to the complete opposite claim of what it once was. This is basically a give away that the motivations and goals of these people are political, not scientific. It’s called “…therefore, socialism.” It’s getting too hot, therefore, socialism. It’s getting too cold, therefore, socialism. There are too many people, therefore, socialism. There are too few people, therefore, socialism. Funny, how no matter what the problem is, the solution always seems to be to give a select group of people, with no discernible expertise in any particular subject, more and more of our money and freedom.
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I disagree. I have never denied that the planet is going through climate change, I just don't believe taxing it will have any impact on the cycle, nor has mankind had any enormous impact.
That's where I'm at...

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Being taxed on a natural cycle does not benefit anyone but the organization that is receiving the money. It does not fix the problem, if there is one.
And that's the real reason for the church of climate change...Moolah...
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Means sh1t to me. I don't believe a word off this garbage.

I believe in statistics, and they say this is garbage. They say not enough raw data for the amount of time the earth has been here. Get it?

I don't believe in taxing to fix it, nor do I believe it is anything but a partisan political issue.

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Well what you believe isn't going to continue carrying water, wake up. Your Party made it an issue with this B.S. rejection.

So right you have to be your not going to look at anything that isn't in agreement with your dang opinion..

Why do you even bother to make replies when your so one sided. I have an open mind over this C.C. If and when I see better data on C.C. isn't anything but a natural event with worry's I will admit I that I was forming the wrong opinion..
But you so much dancing to the Party Line have nothing if proven wrong..

From now on don't wait for me to answer any post you reply in this C.C. Thread
So I will say farewell Kirk..
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That's where I'm at...

And that's the real reason for the church of climate change...Moolah...
Carbon emission credits are the greatest profit centers ever invented. A salable product created out of literally nothing and given away to the favored few by the government to be sold on the open market to allow companies to break the laws.

Al Gore was one of the major beneficiaries, and Al Gore was in government when these rules were being formulated. One has to wonder.
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It's not unprecedented because it's happened before. That's the definition.
Weather changes, climate changes. Long before those nasty people killing cars existed. What is known as the little ice age:

(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Little_Ice_Age)

produced a few cold periods divided by warm periods. 500 or so years ago. And history recorded it. Contemporary scholars wrote about it. The '30's in the US produced extremely hot and dry weather in the mid west regions. My grandma wrote about that, and she lived it. And we believe we know of at least 6 major world wide climate changes millions of years ago. Not exactly recorded, but we're fairly sure they happened. We find evidence of tropical dwelling extinct species underneath the ice, and cold dwelling species in steamy swamps. A few years ago on the Alaska coast, an entire settlement from the 1500's was uncovered when the ice melted.

Paying for it is no small part of the problem, both in cash and life style. In that you are correct.

How the hell does my opinion make me a terrorist? You and I agree on many things, on two we disagree. You put these two up on a debate forum, and when there is a debate suddenly people are negative, or terrorists.

You put threads up, if I have anything to say on the subject, I'll respond. That's how debate works.
Aww I touched a nerve or you looking to try an shame me,, Why not read what I type jimbo and receive it as it was typed.,. Stop twisting here or there to suit your think[Ing or feelings..[/I] Please!

Now tell me does this look like I am pointing at you alone or all whom denied C.C., is real, man made and needs to be controlled.

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Well jimbo? And you forgot to bring up the "Year without Summer" , in 1816...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Year_Without_a_Summer
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Well what you believe isn't going to continue carrying water, wake up. Your Party made it an issue with this B.S. rejection.

So right you have to be your not going to look at anything that isn't in agreement with your dang opinion..

Why do you even bother to make replies when your so one sided. I have an open mind over this C.C. If and when I see better data on C.C. isn't anything but a natural event with worry's I will admit I that I was forming the wrong opinion..
But you so much dancing to the Party Line have nothing if proven wrong..

From now on don't wait for me to answer any post you reply in this C.C. Thread
So I will say farewell Kirk..
Look up "confidence intervals" in statistical analysis and find out what that means.

You will find that in a 4.5 billion year old system it takes a lot more years worth of data than we have to really say with much "confidence" that humans are some how able to change the global atmosphere...

All you speak of is the rhetoric of one side of the argument and are closed to even considering my side as well you fool. So I could puss out just like you and say "farewell" as well...

You did not comment on my links and you have no time for my side of the one sided argument you present, insisting anyone else is wrong other than you. Who the fuq made you king anyway...

I see how you play this nothing burger here all the time. Oh yes there are plenty of others who disagree in the scientific community as well, you just ignore they exist, my how easy that is to do.

So you bet I call your bluff and you got nothing to rebut. Not surpised by that no sir...

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Hey calling all of the C.C. deniers! To save time please copy all of your patent replies as I am going to keep posting these News Articles.

Even if I go to your side and become a denier.. Why? Simple I fear not enough people are learning enough on this topic either way..

So in the future try to direct your replies to the readers as I post these articles for them to read..


I believe if you speak to our readers it will make for a better informed debate.. But this is just IMHO...

See my goal is to inform both ways/sides.. So your doing your part and me, well I am doing mine..

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