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Because American conservatives don't believe in science.
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I have to ask and wonder why if this were such truth, climate change, how the he11 did it become a partisan political issue?

For me that is an easy one. Politicians lie.

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Because American conservatives don't believe in science.
On the contrary, I do.

So what's the problem? EPA wants a debate? Have at it. If the lefts science is shown to be correct, then the deniers are going to come off looking like the fools you consider us to be. If not we will not be the fools.
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Because American conservatives don't believe in science.
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On the contrary, I do.

So what's the problem? EPA wants a debate? Have at it. If the lefts science is shown to be correct, then the deniers are going to come off looking like the fools you consider us to be. If not we will not be the fools.

. So do I, but I am a Independent moderate conservative.. With a little bit of Liberal leanings but not as far as any Progressive, Leftist terrorist wanting to change all of America to fit their ways. nuts jobs.
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I have to ask and wonder why if this were such truth, climate change, how the he11 did it become a partisan political issue?

For me that is an easy one. Politicians lie.

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they do and your a full fledged supporter of one of them..

Do note Kirk, that all most all of America's citizen plus most every one else walking, working and breathing made C.C. into a household word and then seeing a way to grab more $ the Politicians got into the act.. Talking the talk but not walking the walk..

As in Al Gore and flying is fuel guzzler jet to town halls.. And whom were the Politicians want to grab a few extra $, why they dance to the tune of the GOP..

Gotta ya Kirk......
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they do and your a full fledged supporter of one of them..

Do note Kirk, that all most all of America's citizen plus most every one else walking, working and breathing made C.C. into a household word and then seeing a way to grab more $ the Politicians got into the act.. Talking the talk but not walking the walk..

As in Al Gore and flying is fuel guzzler jet to town halls.. And whom were the Politicians want to grab a few extra $, why they dance to the tune of the GOP..

Gotta ya Kirk......
I support lots of right wing politicians, and none are worried about C.C..

Only the pants on fire left, and I mean the left wing global elite are in favor of this. They want to tax and control what we do as people. That is why this is a partisan issue, the left wing globalist want this badly.

No support from here will ever come for any of this. I will never walk this earth carrying the belief that human activity will harm the weather.

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On the contrary, I do.

So what's the problem? EPA wants a debate? Have at it. If the lefts science is shown to be correct, then the deniers are going to come off looking like the fools you consider us to be. If not we will not be the fools.
Debate what?

There's no dispute that global warming is occurring in science. It's been measured and no one is questioning the measurements that prove that global warming is occurring.

We have 97% of the climatologists that state they've reviewed the scientific evidence and they agree that human activity, overwhelmingly the increased atmospheric CO2 created by mankind, is causing global warming and the predictions indicate if this is unchecked it will have devastating impacts on mankind by 2100 and get even worse after that.

Then there are 3% of the climatologists that state they haven't reviewed the evidence and so they cannot state that they agree with the evidence and the predictions.

There are no climatologists putting forward any other reasons based upon the evidence for the global warming.

So we have 97% of the climatologists on one side of the issue that agree in AGW and it's predictions

We have 3% of the climatologists sitting in the audience and not participating in the discussion because they haven't reviewed the evidence.

We have 0% of climatologists to debate with the 97%.


To have a debate it requires opposing sides but there isn't an opposing scientific side to man-made global warming and the predictions that have been made based upon the climate models.
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I think the EPA head was appointed by Trump. If he was he is a CC denier, I will look this up. It might be the EPA debating the other side of the debate.
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I have to ask and wonder why if this were such truth, climate change, how the he11 did it become a partisan political issue?

For me that is an easy one. Politicians lie.

Regards, Kirk
The science is not partisan. Doing something about it is. Republicans are willing to sacrifice mankind so that their financial supporters can profit from the destruction of mankind.

For example the Koch bothers make a lot of money off of coal and using the argument that 50,000 coal mining jobs are dependent upon the burning of coal the Republicans oppose regulations that have had nothing to do with the loss of jobs in the coal industry (Don't ask me why but the coal jobs have been lost to lower cost natural gas and no due to emission restrictions on coal).

Clean "green" technology is one of the fastest grown field in the private sector and it's expanding at 18% annually. Over 600,000 "green technology" jobs are predicted to be created in 2017 but those jobs don't benefit the Koch brothers.

So it's a puzzlement why the Republicans are opposing green technology and supporting the very limited coal industry unless it's about supporting the Koch brothers that dump hundreds of millions of dollars into Republican agendas every year.

But the science is not political. The polluting of the atmosphere with excess CO2 is causing global warming and the predictions that if left unchecked it will result in a catastrophic situation, including the early documentation of the 6th mass extinction of the species in the last 500 million years (that could threaten the extinction of mankind), is not being disputed scientifically.
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Debate what?

There's no dispute that global warming is occurring in science. It's been measured and no one is questioning the measurements that prove that global warming is occurring.

We have 97% of the climatologists that state they've reviewed the scientific evidence and they agree that human activity, overwhelmingly the increased atmospheric CO2 created by mankind, is causing global warming and the predictions indicate if this is unchecked it will have devastating impacts on mankind by 2100 and get even worse after that.

Then there are 3% of the climatologists that state they haven't reviewed the evidence and so they cannot state that they agree with the evidence and the predictions.

There are no climatologists putting forward any other reasons based upon the evidence for the global warming.

So we have 97% of the climatologists on one side of the issue that agree in AGW and it's predictions

We have 3% of the climatologists sitting in the audience and not participating in the discussion because they haven't reviewed the evidence.

We have 0% of climatologists to debate with the 97%.


To have a debate it requires opposing sides but there isn't an opposing scientific side to man-made global warming and the predictions that have been made based upon the climate models.
Then you, meaning the left wing doomsday climate grant getters should have an easy time making the rest of us look like the fools you think we are.

The first debate question should be where did the 97% figure come from.

Regarding those predictions. We're all still eating. The east coast is not under 10 feet of water. We're all still breathing. Had fish for dinner just last night. Polar bear populations are 6 times higher than 50 years ago. Ships are getting stuck in ice that wasn't supposed after 2016. Boulder, Co still gets its water from the Arapahoe Glacier. Those might be questions put forth in a debate.

I do agree with you, however, that these failed predictions are largely due to the basing doomsday predictions on models. Since the failure rate approaches the mythical 97% number, it might be wise to pass some of the grant money to the 3% and see if we can figure out what went wrong.
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