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While we're looking at maps here's one.

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Climate change is poised to affect the health of Americans in every part of the country, a new report says.
Map Shows How Climate Change Will Affect Health Across US
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The report, published today (March 15), comes from a new group made up of 11 medical organizations, including allergists, pediatricians, infectious-disease doctors, OB/GYNs and gerontologists.
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"Doctors in every part of our country see that climate change is making Americans sicker,"
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BS.


The regular climate changes of the seasons cause the same problems and worse.
Trying to saddle "MAN MADE climate change" with all these ills is pure BSery.

climate and CO2 levels has swung far more in the past 8000 years all without Man's helps. AND man has somehow survived.

this map is 'chicken little' science.
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Lots of science groups and scientists are seeing the possibility of their grant money drying up over the next 8 years. Hence the need to publish cutsey folksey maps complete with cutsey folksey icons.

They have little to do with science.
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The regular climate changes of the seasons cause the same problems and worse.
Trying to saddle "MAN MADE climate change" with all these ills is pure BSery.

climate and CO2 levels has swung far more in the past 8000 years all without Man's helps. AND man has somehow survived.

this map is 'chicken little' science.
Aww when opinions clash.... I do find that your well informed and have links to show most of the time, mr. wonder.

Why not now, I must ask you? See I find it comes down to one thing that most have with C.C. and that is is it man made or a natural issue.

Some just can't handle the quilt or don't want it to come down to paying a carbon tax.

Well rest assured that we all will be getting a bill in what ever form or name sooner or later. Most likely later as our two party system is busted presently. that's another issue..........

And what is real for over 130 years is Industrial Growth, which is a cover up name for Industrial Pollution. And can't be denied as it is still a happening thing as it continues in so many areas from cities water treatment plants to the many diverse business interests. And it is happening all over this 3rd rock from the sun!!!

In 4th world non Industrial locations to the best sites in the better travel magazines. Why, because that is what mankind does best is make waste which is pollution.

And if you would like I CAN SUPPLY you with links to both.. But I do think reality is something you understand.

P.S. salty I can't you because it isn't under your post.. So this is the best I can do...
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Aww when opinions clash.... I do find that your well informed and have links to show most of the time, mr. wonder. Why not now, I must ask you?
Frankly Mlurp the reason i didn't post back up material is because i wonder if people even read the links on this issue anymore. Seems many people aren't looking at the science anymore just looking for info that backs their opinion. so i just posted the shorter conclusions. which BTW are pretty self evidence for most of the few points i made. as with my 1st point. see if what i say makes common sense here?
"The regular climate changes of the seasons cause the same problems and worse."
the map plots
Extreme temps. as a "new" or wrong issue But
every season since man has been alive on earth has seen "Exetreme temps" from Adam to now every year people have died from "extreme" cold and heat. And there have been times during man trek here that the temps have been hotter overall and colder overall. do i need to post links to prove that fact? And BTW the winter cold is actually worse for people's health. Every year there are warnings about not getting caught in the cold to long. and reports about the numbers of elderly that die for lack of heat. In the summer the reports are of elderly and others not being hydrated and or heat strokes.

Outdoor air quality.
This one is a bit bogus in the sense that it has nothing to do with the main worry of "global warming/climate change, CO2 and greenhouse gases.
CO2 is NOT a pollutant. The earth has had MORE CO2 in it in the past. And guys on Subs live in CO2 levels several times higher than the worse CO2 predictions.

But sure "air "Pollution" IS a problem. Has been and should be addressed. But it's not a "climate change" problem.
the only problem slightly warming temps bring is LONGER growing seasons. and for people with allergies...every spring... that is a real problem but not a problem overall.

Extreme Events
does it have to be pointed out there are extreme event every year? and they are often seasonal. Hurricane season, tornado season. rivers overflow in the spring after the winter melts. Unless CO2 is now causing earthquakes tidal waves and volcanos now too it seems there's no evidence that there's MORE severe weather now than there has been in the long history of the pre-industrial past so why assume the man is THE cause now?

Various "Related infections"
seems here they are assuming "global warming" since most of these are related to warmer temps. Which again happens in the summer months every year. Here's the thing, it onus is on them to PROVE this will happen. The climate alarmist have predicted "1 to 3 degree rise" in so called "average global temps". But the summer temps rise and fall from 30 to 40 of days or weeks. if the temps are 98 degrees for 5 hours a day for 2 weeks instead of 99 are they saying they be far less "infections"? can they prove that?

Wildfires
seems here they are assuming "global warming" again. I wish they'd make up they're minds is it climate 'change' or 'warming'? but here again the worse rise of so called global temps predicted by the crappy models is a few degrees. can they prove more fires from avg temps of 87 dregree instead of 85. Can they prove more wildfires at all from the models? Have they been right so far?
i've post many links to the many failed predictions, from things like, "they'll NO ice in the arctic by the summer of 2013", too "children in England will not know what snow looks like by 2015".
is it really a stretch to see why some people think these predictions might be OVERplayed or completely wrong Mlurp?


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See I find it comes down to one thing that most have with C.C. and that is is it man made or a natural issue.
that is the main point and the science should ... if it can... address that 1st.

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Some ...don't want it to come down to paying a carbon tax.
who wants to pay taxes?
But here the thing, is a TAX going to bring down the CO2 level?
(If CO2 is a problem.)
But what will it take to bring it down enough to make a difference?
https://www.c2es.org/publications/op...ral-carbon-tax
see the "ENVIRONMENTAL INTEGRITY" section at the link above. these people assume global warming is true by the way. they make a fairly honest appraisal of approaching the tax effectiveness question.
$7b paid in carbon tax to reduce CO2 by 0.3% and cool us by zero degrees
Atmospheric CO2 Hits Record Levels While UK Emissions Drop: Carbon Tax Lesson 101
"[T]he emissions reductions for all industrialized countries mandated by Kyoto translate into CO2 atmospheric concentrations by 2010 that are only 0.26-0.39 percent lower than if the North [Northern Hemisphere] actually increased its emissions by 20%."

-Dr. Richard Benedick, Senior International Advisor at Pacific Northwest National Laboratory and chief architect of the Montreal Protocol (which banned chlorofluorocarbons), Weathervane's Perspectives on Policy, March 1998
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Well rest assured that we all will be getting a bill in what ever form or name sooner or later. Most likely later as our two party system is busted presently. that's another issue..........

And what is real for over 130 years is Industrial Growth, which is a cover up name for Industrial Pollution. And can't be denied as it is still a happening thing as it continues in so many areas from cities water treatment plants to the many diverse business interests. And it is happening all over this 3rd rock from the sun!!!

In 4th world non Industrial locations to the best sites in the better travel magazines. Why, because that is what mankind does best is make waste which is pollution.
I agree that Industrial POLLUTION is a real problem that has been ...and should continue to be... addressed, but CO2 is NOT a pollutant.
Carbon MONOXIDE is pollution. Various unnatural chemical compounds from industrial waste and smoke is pollution, many of the Pharamesudical drugs now found in our water system is pollution, Oil spills and waste run of is pollution, Dumping sewage, trash and plastics in the waterway and oceans is pollution.
there are other things that are pollution as well.

But CO2 is NOT pollution. It is as described, a GREENHOUSE gas. it's GOOD for plants ....and the over all ecosystem. not bad.
I can give you links for that.
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If carbon dioxide is so bad for the planet, why do greenhouse growers buy CO2 generators to double plant growth?
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PLEASE watch this.

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Quite impreeive... Yet I find sites that say 97 % of the people whio do these studies, videos etc., believe that play around with our atmosphere is not good, period!

And most are from a government site. Not that makes it any more believable as the govt., does lie at times.

And like it or not in a time to come each of us will be footing some cost to avoid what lies ahead.. Plus what makes your video's more believable than these?

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Multiple studies published in peer-reviewed scientific journals1 show that 97 percent or more of actively publishing climate scientists agree: Climate-warming trends over the past century are extremely likely due to human activities. In addition, most of the leading scientific organizations worldwide have issued public statements endorsing this position. The following is a partial list of these organizations, along with links to their published statements and a selection of related resources.
https://climate.nasa.gov/scientific-consensus/


If nothing else isn't it better to prepare for the worst and settle for less destruction in the long run?
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