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Old 07-10-2014, 07:50 AM
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Voters strongly believe the debate about global warming is not over yet and reject the decision by some news organizations to ban comments from those who deny that global warming is a problem.

Only 20% of Likely U.S. Voters believe the scientific debate about global warming is over, according to the latest Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey. Sixty-three percent (63%) disagree and say the debate about global warming is not over. Seventeen percent (17%) are not sure. (To see survey question wording, click here.)

Forty-eight percent (48%) of voters think there is still significant disagreement within the scientific community over global warming, while 35% believe scientists generally agree on the subject.

The BBC has announced a new policy banning comments from those who deny global warming, a policy already practiced by the Los Angeles Times and several other media organizations. But 60% of voters oppose the decision by some news organizations to ban global warming skeptics. Only 19% favor such a ban, while slightly more (21%) are undecided.
Only 20% Think Debate About Global Warming Is Over - Rasmussen Reports

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There is way to much science and scientist who say global warming is a hoax.

Statistically, how can we derive with confidence, much about a 4.5 billion year old system with only less than 200 years of data? You cann't. Period..

I live by the weather. I pay much more attention than most. It is my lively hood as a farmer. I see the media making eveything about weather into an "exteme event" and explain it away as "global warming" I say B*ll**** to them... The media these days use this "tactic" to get ratings. They want to make it the popular opinion. It makes them look good, like they are doing us all a favor. I see nothing to suport this here on my farm..

This issue is being driven to by those who can porfit from it. Like that really helps. Or it is being used to accomplish something that could not be done without our fears being jacked up into a feverish pitch, scared we are creating a future "doom" for our childern.

I also feel like the progressives are the ones who are abusing this to the max. They are using it as a tool to get what ever it is they want. This thing has become very political. SO there must be some liers in there some where..

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Control the weather and youmay well control the world. But mad ego-scientists aside, control the people's view of weather phenomes and mushthe same occurs.
IE;.... You control the world.

The Climate boogeyman may control the debate but hold on. We are a long way from proving anything as fact, only as some emperical "consensus.

Take the theory that warmer climate will raise CO2. Historicaly it has always been the other way around. Essential to the AGW theorist, it somehow must work the other way, this time. However?... Seems that when the artic warms and suddenly, it can absorb more CO2. Mama Nature compensates?
Curiously that bit of information is not in the predicting models.


So again, we are asked to make predictions, and then inact regulations on the hubris of educated guessing. From experts who still cannot figure out how make it rain on purpose.

What Arrogance;

From the NIPCC

Predicting the Unpredictable? ... Some Things Just Can't Be Done

Dinezio, P. 2014. A high bar for decadal forecasts of El Niņo. Nature 507: 437-439. In a "News and Views" item in Nature, Dinezio (2014) writes that "the episodic warming and cooling of the surface temperature of the tropical Pacific Ocean, known as the El Niņo-Southern Oscillation (ENSO), causes year-to-year climate fluctuations, affecting weather, ecosystems and economies around the world," but he indicates that "the occurrence of these episodes is not regular."
As an example of this fact, the University of Hawaii researcher reports that Wittenberg (2009) examined a 2,000-year climate simulation based on "a fairly realistic climate model," which showed that "decadal-to-centennial-scale changes in ENSO behavior can be internally generated by the model in the absence of any external forcing, such as increases in greenhouse-gas concentration or variations in solar output." And in a more recent study conducted by Wittenberg et al. (2014), using the same GFDL-DM2.1 model, he describes how the five climate scientists found that "multi-decadal epochs of high and low ENSO activity are completely unpredictable."

In commenting on this extremely significant finding, Dinezio writes that it is a sobering finding, "because," as he continues, "it suggests that the changes observed in ENSO behavior during the twentieth century could very well be random fluctuations unrelated to natural or man-made changes in the climate of the tropical Pacific." And he adds that "it is not known whether even the best climate models simulate the correct mix of the myriad processes that influence ENSO," ending, therefore, with his ultimate conclusion that "future attempts to attribute the causes of individual events and their decadal variations now face a much higher bar," which level of correctness, it should be obvious to all, has not yet been reached.

In light of this verity, we should all show a little humility and acknowledge the fact that there are still "myriad processes" yet to be accurately modeled that influence Earth's climate - and, ultimately, its everyday weather - which further suggests that it is nothing more than unbridled hubris to say that one need only "look out the window," as some climate alarmists suggest, to see the effect of anthropogenic CO2 emissions on whatever extreme weather event is currently in the process of earning a prime spot on the evening news. Such advice is nothing more than outright deception. And it is being practiced at the highest levels of government in both the United States and many of the other countries that comprise the United Nations.

Additional References
Wittenberg, A.T. 2009. Are historical records sufficient to constrain ENSO simulations? Geophysical Research Letters 36: 10.1029/2009GL038710.

Wittenberg, A.T., Rosati, A., Delworth, T.L., Vecchi, G.A. and Zeng, F. 2014. ENSO modulation: Is it decadally predictable? Journal of Climate 27: 2667-2681.
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As far as I am concerned the debate is over. GW is an anti-capitalist hoax. People who push the idea of GW are like watermelons: Green on the outside and red on the inside.
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