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cnredd 05-17-2014 12:38 AM

Study: Environmentalists Have ‘Substantially Worse than Average’ Carbon Footprints
 
Hypocrisy...

Do as I say and not as I do...

In the real world, we call it "Standard Operating Procedure"...:yes :rolls


Study: Environmentalists Have ‘Substantially Worse than Average’ Carbon Footprints

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People who are worried about climate change emit far more carbon dioxide in their daily lives than the average American, according to data gathered by a new app that can track one’s carbon footprint.

Ian Monroe, the chief executive of Oroeco, told Grist that his app, which syncs social media data and online shopping habits to estimate users’ daily carbon emissions, reveals environmentalists to be some of the biggest “carbon polluters.”

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Something that comes as a shock to a lot of our users: The average person who says they care about climate change actually has a substantially worse than average footprint. Generally that’s because they tend to have a bit more money, and they tend to be people who like to think of themselves as multicultural and like to get out and see the world. Which means that they’re flying around a lot, and all that flying generally outweighs any other green lifestyle choices that they’ve made. You have a lot of people who are using reusable bags and water bottles, driving a Prius, maybe eating a bit more of a veggie friendly diet. But then they’re flying to Bali or South Africa or something once a year. They end up having a larger carbon footprint than a conservative guy who drives an SUV in the suburbs of Atlanta but doesn’t fly anywhere.


WallyWager 05-17-2014 12:59 AM

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Originally Posted by cnredd (Post 659804)
Hypocrisy...

Do as I say and not as I do...

In the real world, we call it "Standard Operating Procedure"...:yes :rolls


Study: Environmentalists Have ‘Substantially Worse than Average’ Carbon Footprints

The study was done using a social media phone app. Not saying they're aren't hypocrites out there, because there are, but that sort of methodology is really iffy.

cnredd 05-17-2014 01:01 AM

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Originally Posted by WallyWager (Post 659807)
The study was done using a social media phone app. Not saying they're aren't hypocrites out there, because there are, but that sort of methodology is really iffy.

The logic is sound...

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You have a lot of people who are using reusable bags and water bottles, driving a Prius, maybe eating a bit more of a veggie friendly diet. But then they’re flying to Bali or South Africa or something once a year. They end up having a larger carbon footprint than a conservative guy who drives an SUV in the suburbs of Atlanta but doesn't fly anywhere.

WallyWager 05-17-2014 01:22 AM

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Originally Posted by cnredd (Post 659808)
The logic is sound...

I get that logic, but I find it hard to believe that a plane flight could cancel out everything someone who is doing what they can on a day-to-day basis to lower their footprint, and then some. I understand why it would, but still find it hard to accept. Even some folks who are super-focused on green stuff may not realize how much air pollution a plane trip emits.

MrLiberty 05-17-2014 06:52 AM

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Originally Posted by WallyWager (Post 659809)
I get that logic, but I find it hard to believe that a plane flight could cancel out everything someone who is doing what they can on a day-to-day basis to lower their footprint, and then some. I understand why it would, but still find it hard to accept. Even some folks who are super-focused on green stuff may not realize how much air pollution a plane trip emits.

Here, this will help.......

Calculate and offset your carbon footprint

With the calculator, a person flying from London to Bali and back has a carbon footprint of 4.44 tons

That same person driving a Jeep Cherokee 10,000 miles a year has a carbon footprint of 4.57 tons.

saltwn 05-17-2014 01:57 PM

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I'm a criminal but Johnny is worse than me so I should be overlooked?
uh...no.

FrancSevin 05-17-2014 03:28 PM

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Originally Posted by saltwn (Post 659905)
I'm a criminal but Johnny is worse than me so I should be overlooked?
uh...no.

No, but when the criminal tells me to obey the law, he gets my single digit salute.

Al Gore is the prophet of the AGW movement yet he has a relatively huge carbon footprint. He is the supposed canary in the mine, telling us we are all gonna die. If you ask me, he shows way too much plumage for a common canary, but that's just me.

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sh...totally-ignore

cnredd 05-17-2014 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by FrancSevin (Post 659943)
If you ask me, he shows way too much plumage for a common canary, but that's just me.

:thumbsup :clap

saltwn 05-17-2014 04:14 PM

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Originally Posted by FrancSevin (Post 659943)
No, but when the criminal tells me to obey the law, he gets my single digit salute.

Al Gore is the prophet of the AGW movement yet he has a relatively huge carbon footprint. He is the supposed canary in the mine, telling us we are all gonna die. If you ask me, he shows way too much plumage for a common canary, but that's just me.

Stunning Pictures of Al Gore's New $9 Million Mansion Media Totally Ignored | NewsBusters

This isn't about Al Gore. Or Obama or Michelle or Carney...:rolls

rivrrat 05-17-2014 04:52 PM

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Just imagine what it would be if they weren't driving eco friendly cars, recycling, buying local, etc, etc. Just because flying somewhere once a year is a "big footprint" doesn't mean that trying to minimize one's footprint is a bad idea.

Besides, I don't see how EACH person on the plane accounts for the carbon footprint of the entire f*cking flight. If it was a single person plane and someone was flying around all the time, sure. But that's not the case.

Mikeyy 05-17-2014 04:58 PM

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Yeah, It's like what do you want me to do? Go piss in your drinking water just to make you happy?
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Originally Posted by rivrrat (Post 659971)
Just imagine what it would be if they weren't driving eco friendly cars, recycling, buying local, etc, etc. Just because flying somewhere once a year is a "big footprint" doesn't mean that trying to minimize one's footprint is a bad idea.

Besides, I don't see how EACH person on the plane accounts for the carbon footprint of the entire f*cking flight. If it was a single person plane and someone was flying around all the time, sure. But that's not the case.


FrancSevin 05-17-2014 06:02 PM

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Originally Posted by saltwn (Post 659957)
This isn't about Al Gore. Or Obama or Michelle or Carney...:rolls

Actually, in the context of the thread topic,,,,yes, it is.

VERY MUCH SO.

FrancSevin 05-17-2014 06:04 PM

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Originally Posted by rivrrat (Post 659971)
Just imagine what it would be if they weren't driving eco friendly cars, recycling, buying local, etc, etc. Just because flying somewhere once a year is a "big footprint" doesn't mean that trying to minimize one's footprint is a bad idea.

Besides, I don't see how EACH person on the plane accounts for the carbon footprint of the entire f*cking flight. If it was a single person plane and someone was flying around all the time, sure. But that's not the case.

Al Gore doesn't usually fly coach, or even first class. He flies via private jet.

Just like he did when he was a big shot at Occidental Petroleum.

saltwn 05-17-2014 06:26 PM

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Originally Posted by FrancSevin (Post 659984)
Actually, in the context of the thread topic,,,,yes, it is.

VERY MUCH SO.

No it is your dream that that is so. Are you completely incapable of following a thread?

rivrrat 05-17-2014 06:33 PM

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Originally Posted by FrancSevin (Post 659986)
Al Gore doesn't usually fly coach, or even first class. He flies via private jet.

Just like he did when he was a big shot at Occidental Petroleum.

I don't give a flying f*ck about gore. I was referring to the OP

FrancSevin 05-17-2014 06:36 PM

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Originally Posted by saltwn (Post 659991)
No it is your dream that that is so. Are you completely incapable of following a thread?

I don't give a flying f*ck about gore. I was referring to the OP Quoting Riverrat
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Read the title babe......

Al Gore, Barak and Michelle Obama, Jay Carney (to some extent) define by example the term of "Environmentalist" the subject of the thread.

See, I can follow a thread. Can you guys read titles?

Salty, I have been meaning to ask but afraid you might actually try to answer a question for me,,,,

DO YOU WALK TO SCHOOL,,,,OR TAKE YOUR LUNCH?

Mikeyy 05-17-2014 06:36 PM

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Originally Posted by rivrrat (Post 659993)
I don't give a flying f*ck about gore. I was referring to the OP

It's all about Al Gore to these people. Ya know some of this is like watching the same bad movie over and over again. These guys repeat the same stuff all the time.

Mikeyy 05-17-2014 06:40 PM

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Originally Posted by [QUOTE
FrancSevin;659994]Read the title babe......

Al Gore, Barak and Michelle Obama, Jay Carney (to some extent) define by example the term of "Environmentalist" the subject of the thread.

That is your list for everything evil in your mind. I like the environment too. I guess you only have to like the environment to be an environmentalist. So, If we are environmentalists what are you? An exploiter?

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See, I can follow a thread.

Salty, I have been meaning to ask but afraid you might actually try to answer a question for me,,,,

DO YOU WALK TO SCHOOL,,,,OR TAKE YOUR LUNCH?
[/QUOTE]Ya know I wanted to ask you a question. Were you drunk when you put that mascara on?

FrancSevin 05-17-2014 06:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Mikeyy (Post 659996)
Ya know I wanted to ask you a question. Were you drunk when you put that mascara on?

No evil, just a mistake in assigning authorship of the quote. I fixed it as you posted.

Actual examples of evil exist mostly in personal attacks. Apparently, that would be your talent not mine.

saltwn 05-17-2014 06:45 PM

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Originally Posted by FrancSevin (Post 659994)
I don't give a flying f*ck about gore. I was referring to the OP Quoting Riverrat
____________
Read the title babe......

Al Gore, Barak and Michelle Obama, Jay Carney (to some extent) define by example the term of "Environmentalist" the subject of the thread.

See, I can follow a thread. Can you guys read titles?

Salty, I have been meaning to ask but afraid you might actually try to answer a question for me,,,,

DO YOU WALK TO SCHOOL,,,,OR TAKE YOUR LUNCH?

No. I am an environmentalist and if you dont throw your garbage in the street you are too.

FrancSevin 05-17-2014 07:09 PM

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Originally Posted by saltwn (Post 659999)
No. I am an environmentalist and if you dont throw your garbage in the street you are too.

I am happy for you. But at this point, if you do not get the point of the OP, then I am also sorry for your loss. Environmentalism is not confined to the subject of global warming. So to disagree with AGW alarmist does not put one at odds with environmentalism.

I was growing produce and flowers Organic back in the fifties, long before it was cool. I am currently restoring 80 acres to natural habitat that was ruined by it's previous owner. Being frugal with resources is integral to environmentalism and on my budget, that is a convenient marriage.

I grew up on a poor farm where nothing was wasted or thrown out.

My factory is virtually refuse free, and so is my residence. No garbage to throw in the street. In fact, I do not have a garbage pickup at the house.

However, did you know that a compost pile is illegal in many communities. Especially in elite ones. And further, some radical global warming advocates suggest such composting is contributing to AGW?


In truth, many who lead the charge for environmentalism are not so concerned about their "carbon footprint" as they scold us all for ruining the planet. Michelle fills Air Force one with her "staff" when she travels . And that bird puts tons of carbon in the air. Flying the family dog on a special flight wasn't done in a glider but a military transport. Atleast Jimmy Carter turned down the thermostat and put on a sweater.

There are examples everywhere of people being responsible about the environment. but you find few of them in the elite neighborhoods where troops of lawn care workers come in daily with fuel burning machines to manicure lawns upon which nobody plays. When done, they haul the cuttings off the local land fills.

Open you eyes and smell the fungus girl. It ain't where the rich reside but down where the hard working commoners care without being scolded into being responsible.

Environmentalist.....
if you are one, good. But please do not presume I am not.

rivrrat 05-17-2014 07:41 PM

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Originally Posted by FrancSevin (Post 660004)

Environmentalist.....
if you are one, good. But please do not presume I am not.

She didn't presume you weren't. In fact, she SAID you WERE.

saltwn 05-17-2014 07:51 PM

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Originally Posted by FrancSevin (Post 660004)
I am happy for you. But at this point, if you do not get the point of the OP, then I am also sorry for your loss. Environmentalism is not confined to the subject of global warming. So to disagree with AGW alarmist does not put one at odds with environmentalism.

I was growing produce and flowers Organic back in the fifties, long before it was cool. I am currently restoring 80 acres to natural habitat that was ruined by it's previous owner. Being frugal with resources is integral to environmentalism and on my budget, that is a convenient marriage.

I grew up on a poor farm where nothing was wasted or thrown out.

My factory is virtually refuse free, and so is my residence. No garbage to throw in the street. In fact, I do not have a garbage pickup at the house.

However, did you know that a compost pile is illegal in many communities. Especially in elite ones. And further, some radical global warming advocates suggest such composting is contributing to AGW?


In truth, many who lead the charge for environmentalism are not so concerned about their "carbon footprint" as they scold us all for ruining the planet. Michelle fills Air Force one with her "staff" when she travels . And that bird puts tons of carbon in the air. Flying the family dog on a special flight wasn't done in a glider but a military transport. Atleast Jimmy Carter turned down the thermostat and put on a sweater.

There are examples everywhere of people being responsible about the environment. but you find few of them in the elite neighborhoods where troops of lawn care workers come in daily with fuel burning machines to manicure lawns upon which nobody plays. When done, they haul the cuttings off the local land fills.

Open you eyes and smell the fungus girl. It ain't where the rich reside but down where the hard working commoners care without being scolded into being responsible.

Environmentalist.....
if you are one, good. But please do not presume I am not.

I already said you were. What you need to do instead of rant here is get with the city dwellers and tell them a few things. Thats the only way we will ever fight this thing is through togetherness not fighting.

FrancSevin 05-17-2014 08:06 PM

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Originally Posted by saltwn (Post 660009)
I already said you were. What you need to do instead of rant here is get with the city dwellers and tell them a few things. Thats the only way we will ever fight this thing is through togetherness not fighting.

Then what do you suggest we do about discussing the obvious hypocrisy of those Faux environmentalist in the OP?

And no you didn't. you qualified it with the word "if" Sorry to be specific.

FrancSevin 05-17-2014 08:12 PM

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Originally Posted by rivrrat (Post 660008)
She didn't presume you weren't. In fact, she SAID you WERE.

Hardly. She challenged (if) that I was. With what language are you familiar? I'm reading her words in English here:

Originally Posted by saltwn View Post
No. I am an environmentalist and if you dont throw your garbage in the street you are too.

saltwn 05-17-2014 08:23 PM

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Originally Posted by FrancSevin (Post 660010)
Then what do you suggest we do about discussing the obvious hypocrisy of those Faux environmentalist in the OP?

And no you didn't. you qualified it with the word "if" Sorry to be specific.

You are an environmentalist if you dont throw garbage in the street. You dont. I know you dont. So that puts that to rest.
What I suppose we do is quit fighting and band together to save the planet and tell the world leaders FK you on putting a monetary stamp on this and to get the hell out of our way. Then we take steps to pass good laws that will help achieve this end. And we do our part personally . Make it completely un PC in our own little world to not recycle and to drive gas hogs except for a real need. Things like that. We can argue about the list of things but we could work together on it fer sure.

FrancSevin 05-17-2014 08:47 PM

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Originally Posted by saltwn (Post 660017)
You are an environmentalist if you dont throw garbage in the street. You dont. I know you dont. So that puts that to rest.
What I suppose we do is quit fighting and band together to save the planet and tell the world leaders FK you on putting a monetary stamp on this and to get the hell out of our way. Then we take steps to pass good laws that will help achieve this end. And we do our part personally . Make it completely un PC in our own little world to not recycle and to drive gas hogs except for a real need. Things like that. We can argue about the list of things but we could work together on it fer sure.

Someone who doesn't throw grbge in the street does not define themas environmental. just good manners.

But I understand your point.


Congress and our leaders will not pass good laws. They no longer respect our rights to hold them accountable. After years of reaching into our pockets and throwing our money at their causes, we are just sources of income. And every dollar they take, for any purpose, is that much less freedom we citizens have.

Sadly we are beyond that balance of power where the voter, the citizen, is respected.

saltwn 05-17-2014 08:56 PM

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Originally Posted by FrancSevin (Post 660020)
Someone who doesn't throw grbge in the street does not define themas environmental. just good manners.

It wasnt considered good manners before people realized the world is finite. We could do the same thing with other activities.
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But I understand your point.


Congress and our leaders will not pass good laws. They no longer respect our rights to hold them accountable. After years of reaching into our pockets and throwing our money at their causes, we are just sources of income. And every dollar they take, for any purpose, is that much less freedom we citizens have.

Sadly we are beyond that balance of power where the voter, the citizen, is respected.
Oh bull sh*t cry in your beer. :rolls How do people get things done all over the place if they dont try? They do effect change. MADD proved the hell outta that, Sir. And dont say that was then and things cant get done now because a, b, c...cause I aint buyin it. YOU dont care enough so forget it huh?
Loser
Quitter
arm chair quarterback

Kids can feed the homeless but little old frank cant do anything to change the environment cause its just too damned hard.

rivrrat 05-17-2014 08:57 PM

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Originally Posted by FrancSevin (Post 660013)
Hardly. She challenged (if) that I was. With what language are you familiar? I'm reading her words in English here:

Originally Posted by saltwn View Post
No. I am an environmentalist and if you dont throw your garbage in the street you are too.

Yeah, she said if you don't throw your garbage in the street, you are an environmentalist. What language are YOU reading?

Lollie 05-17-2014 09:19 PM

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Originally Posted by saltwn (Post 660023)

Oh bull sh*t cry in your beer. :rolls How do people get things done all over the place if they dont try? They do effect change. MADD proved the hell outta that, Sir. And dont say that was then and things cant get done now because a, b, c...cause I aint buyin it. YOU dont care enough so forget it huh?
Loser
Quitter
arm chair quarterback

Kids can feed the homeless but little old frank cant do anything to change the environment cause its just too damned hard.

You've been on a god damn roll all day sister, haven't you?

By the way, it's FranC as in Francis.

rjaz 05-17-2014 09:25 PM

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Originally Posted by rivrrat (Post 659971)
eco friendly cars

They are not really eco-friendly. You either have to burn coal or use nuclear to produce the electricity to charge them.

FrancSevin 05-17-2014 09:34 PM

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Originally Posted by saltwn (Post 660023)
It wasnt considered good manners before people realized the world is finite. We could do the same thing with other activities.


Oh bull sh*t cry in your beer. :rolls How do people get things done all over the place if they dont try? They do effect change. MADD proved the hell outta that, Sir. And dont say that was then and things cant get done now because a, b, c...cause I aint buyin it. YOU dont care enough so forget it huh?
Loser
Quitter
arm chair quarterback

Kids can feed the homeless but little old frank cant do anything to change the environment cause its just too damned hard.

Franc is not really an environmental activist. He is a conservationist. Big difference. And based on the tons of omitted landfill and acres of remediated forest, there has been little time in his life for an armchair.

As for being a quitter, You are right about that. I am quitting this useless conversation.

rivrrat 05-17-2014 09:36 PM

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Originally Posted by rjaz (Post 660028)
They are not really eco-friendly. You either have to burn coal or use nuclear to produce the electricity to charge them.

Or hydro, or solar, or wind. And?

FrancSevin 05-17-2014 09:42 PM

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Originally Posted by rivrrat (Post 660032)
Or hydro, or solar, or wind. And?

Hydro is out. Environmentalist will not allow more dams and actually have forced the removal of many.
Solar is ok but most folks want to charge their cars at night.
Wind is an excellent idea but technically an unreasonable solution. At best 15% of our current power needs can potentially be addressed with wind power

The wind turbines are elegant but deadly to raptor birds. And the remote power generation has to be wired for miles. Something to which the treehuggers have objections.

rjaz 05-17-2014 09:46 PM

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Originally Posted by rivrrat (Post 660032)
Or hydro, or solar, or wind. And?

We have all 3 where we live in AZ.

I've been to the Hoover dam that generates hydro, I've seen some folks (just a few) with solar panels, but that makes the most sense since we get 300 sunny days a year.

I hate wind, because they are eagle chopping machines.

Johnny West 05-17-2014 09:54 PM

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Originally Posted by saltwn (Post 659905)
I'm a criminal but Johnny is worse than me so I should be overlooked?
uh...no.

Granted I drive a Land Rover but how did I get dragged into this?

Lollie 05-17-2014 09:56 PM

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Originally Posted by FrancSevin (Post 660035)

The wind turbines are elegant but deadly to raptor birds. And the remote power generation has to be wired for miles. Something to which the treehuggers have objections.

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Originally Posted by rjaz (Post 660036)

I hate wind, because they are eagle chopping machines.

:yes

I live not all that far from Blue Creek Wind Farm here in Van Wert county and it's massive.
The next proposed project will be Dog Creek/Paulding County.

https://www.wind-watch.org/news/2014...eing-promoted/

Johnny West 05-17-2014 09:58 PM

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I can't stand wind. They are a shanker on the penis of America.

Lollie 05-17-2014 10:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Johnny West (Post 660040)
I can't stand wind. They are a shanker on the penis of America.


They are fascinating to look at though on a nice day going down the country road.


rivrrat 05-17-2014 10:36 PM

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Originally Posted by FrancSevin (Post 660035)
Hydro is out. Environmentalist will not allow more dams and actually have forced the removal of many.

Hydro doesn't have to mean dams
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Solar is ok but most folks want to charge their cars at night.
That's what power storage is for.

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Wind is an excellent idea but technically an unreasonable solution. At best 15% of our current power needs can potentially be addressed with wind power

The wind turbines are elegant but deadly to raptor birds. And the remote power generation has to be wired for miles. Something to which the treehuggers have objections.
Deadly to a few raptors, sure, but not nearly as deadly as buildings are. Plus, there are way to minimize the impact.

According to studies last year, nearly 1 billion birds are killed each year by flying into buildings. 175 million by power lines. 72 million by pesticides and nearly 7 million by communication towers. 1 million in oil and gas waste pits. Wind turbines kill about 500,000 thousand birds a year. As for eagles, wind turbines in 10 states have killed average of 6 a year.

So, not all that deadly, considering.


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