Did you BOTH miss this line??? They don't know if this is really happening and if it is happening, they don't know why. They think that something might be happening and they have a theory on why it's happening. They don't KNOW anything.

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Because you are like fs is about alternative energy. He wouldn't believe it was viable if he was revived with a solar powered cardio crash cart.

There are articles and space pictures and scientists who say we are in a climate change. But you and fs in all y'all's wisdom know better.

I myself take it with a grain of salt but don't poo-poo it just because it doesn't fit some preconceived notion.

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The planet has had many warming and cooling periods in its life, but for some reason this time man is the cause. What was the cause of the last ice age? IT seems to me that the scientists would be looking for causes to explain what happened more than 10,000 years ago to try and figure out what is the cause of the last climate change.

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Thank you Dr Liberty for your insight. "I think we are seeing changes happening at an accelerated pace". Said Dr. Mikeyy

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Did I say man was the cause? If you will look at the words you quoted me as saying you will see I take it with a grain of salt. But climate is changing. Maybe some would like to have that information not passed through a political sieve for once.

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Of course it is. The larger part of Antarctica, for instance has been cooling for some time.

How that creates an overwhelming melt causing "dense water", is something I'd like explained.

I don't understand how people claiming to be all about "the science" aren't a little curious about that one.

links or other sources?

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I did post a link earlier showing you the rising ice, but if you don't believe that one, here's one from NSIDC

http://nsidc.org/data/seaice_index/i...plot_hires.png

Here's an old one from NASA in 2004 before the data manipulators could get at it. I imagine they've turned it from blue to red by now, because that's the sort of thing Hansen and the boys have been doing.



What's interesting though is notice how the red is down the North and West coast, and the blue is in the interior. That's what I was talking about.

This one's from a skeptic but if you click the links you'll see they come from reputable sources.

C3: Antarctica: IPCC Proven Conclusively Wrong By Newest Research - South Pole Cooling

Alfred Wegener Institute Neumayer Station III: Antarctic Cooling Over The Last 30 Years!

Antarctic ice is growing, not melting away | News.com.au

Terra Forming Terra: Antarctic is Growing

Here's the 2009 one you'll be looking for though. This is the one on Steig, the guy who smears temperatures from the peninsula all over the continent, and calls it warming.

Antarctica is warming, not cooling: study | Reuters

Here's a more science-y argument against it.

http://www.friendsofscience.org/asse...icaCooling.pdf

This one is interesting though.

BBC News - Warm ocean driving Antarctic ice loss

A recent study thinks ocean currents are more likely to be the cause of the warming that has been happening in some parts along the North and West coast of Antarctica.

You're really going to have to twist and turn in your reasoning to blame CO2, or man for that. Never stopped em before though.

NASA
NASA mission calculates global ice melt and rising sea levels | Green Tech - CNET News
Greenland
If the polar ice caps melted, how much would the oceans rise?

HowStuffWorks "If the polar ice caps melted, how much would the oceans rise?"

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And that's the problem I have with science by press release.

Let's pretend that study is the only study ever done, and nothing else matters. What does it actually say when you fight your way past the hysterical press interpretation?

Here's what it actually says.

OK so it sounds like they took 7 of the 10 warmest years, and calculated that if ice continues to melt at the rate it did during these years sea level would rise 5.8 inches a century from ice melt alone.

http://www.nature.com/nature/journal...ture10847.html

So what?