Native Americans threaten to confiscate Keystone Pipeline trucks - Page 2

Oftencold · #11 (**permalink**) 03-07-2012, 08:13 AM

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Originally Posted by saltwn

Hmmm...these are the folks who churches are always crying about to donate blankets to in the winter. Some of the poorest people in the land. Doesn't sound like we care much about them anyway, so

sure, OC why not withhold heating fuel to the few who can maybe afford it.

Trust me, they get funds and programs that would stun you. I can't talk about it too much, for reasons that I think you'll guess.

I will tell you though, that the image people have, and tribes cash in on, of the Native American and his deep bond with Nature and the Land, is as much of a stereotypical crock as the idea of people of African descent having a superhuman sense of rhythm and deep addiction to watermelon.

They are people, like everyone else. And our society has taught them very well, that if they claim to be deeply offended victims of the "White man's" callous greed, then somebody will soon show up with a checkbook to make it all better.

In Tampa, the Seminoles for instance, some years ago, made a big show about a disturbed burial ground and demanded to be given many acres of prime real estate to re-bury the bones of their ancestors and maybe build a cultural center.

The Pols tripped over themselves to comply. The Seminoles then built a convention and gambling center on the new land, with a large tax free tobacco operation. That's how this particular game is played.

Again I stress, that they are people just like the rest of us, and that were the roles changed, the rest of us would no doubt be doing the same sort of thing.

faithful_servant · #12 (**permalink**) 03-07-2012, 09:17 AM

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Originally Posted by RedState

Its worse than Palestine:

The life expectancy of Lakota men is less than 44 years; 97 percent of the Lakota people live below the poverty line. The Lakota infant mortality rate is 300 percent higher than the national average. The tuberculosis rate on Lakota reservations is 800 percent higher than the national average; cervical cancer is 500 percent higher than the national average; the rate of diabetes is 800 percent higher than the national average

The unemployment rate on reservations is over 85 percent with the median income between $2,600 to $3,500 per year. One-third of the homes on reservations lack clean water and 40 percent of the homes lack electricity. In addition, alcoholism affects 8 in 10 Lakota families with rates of drug abuse and suicide increasing.

Sounds like living on the res is bad for you. Maybe they should get jobs in the oil fields and move off the res and live in a nicer place. No one is forcing them to stay on the res and in the Dakotas there's LOTS of work.

GottaGo · #13 (**permalink**) 03-07-2012, 09:47 AM

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Originally Posted by faithful_servant

Sounds like living on the res is bad for you. Maybe they should get jobs in the oil fields and move off the res and live in a nicer place. No one is forcing them to stay on the res and in the Dakotas there's LOTS of work.

Right there.

They were raked over the coals, no doubt about it. But we are talking generations ago.

As with other races, it is part of their history, but it doesn't have to be part of their future unless they let it.

No one should carry the guilt for what happened to them, as it wasn't you or me. They were given much, and still are, to try and make amends.

But we can't make them have pride, nor honor, in themselves.

faithful_servant · #14 (**permalink**) 03-07-2012, 10:05 AM

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Originally Posted by GottaGo

Right there.

They were raked over the coals, no doubt about it. But we are talking generations ago.

As with other races, it is part of their history, but it doesn't have to be part of their future unless they let it.

No one should carry the guilt for what happened to them, as it wasn't you or me. They were given much, and still are, to try and make amends.

But we can't make them have pride, nor honor, in themselves.

The Warm Springs Indian Reservation (Confederated Tribes of Warm Springs) is less than 10 minutes from where I work. In the 25 years I've worked here, we've hired only a VERY small handful of Indians (don't anyone get pissy about the term, it's what they call themselves and MOST of them don't give a rat's ass if you use the term) from the res. Of the few that we have hired, most were pretty useless. The exceptions were the ones who moved off the res. I worked next to a lady who was born on the res and was one of the first employees here. She moved off the res as fast as she could because she saw that living there was killing her friends and family and she didn't want to end up like them. She never drank becasue she saw how much harm it caused, she never took the gov't's money because she saw how it sucked the life and pride out of her neighbors and she's a great mom, grandmother, employee and friend. Living on the res is choice and it's one that unfortunately we reinforce by giving them money for living there.

762nato · #15 (**permalink**) 03-07-2012, 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by saltwn

Damn straight

I love it.

Native Americans threaten to confiscate Keystone Pipeline trucks | The Raw Story

Keystone going over Pine Ridge in order to avoid way stations

In case you're wondering why I cheer. These are the Oglala Sioux. This is the reservation that was treatied to them to include the Black Hills. Then without another treaty the then President broke up Pine Ridge to allow miners and settlers in the BH.
Then comes the part where Custer gets his azz kicked.
This is the site of the Wounded Knee incident.
Now on land that is clearly theirs by OUR law, the state of South Dakota doesn't even consult them to run over their land and destroy it and the water?
I am glad to see them stand up.
SD and Keystone can just pay the weigh scales and avoid going around them through these people's yard.

You would love it.......illiterate people duped into doung the bidding of the left

Idealogically Promiscuous · #16 (**permalink**) 03-07-2012, 11:52 AM

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Originally Posted by saltwn

Damn straight

I love it.

Native Americans threaten to confiscate Keystone Pipeline trucks | The Raw Story

Keystone going over Pine Ridge in order to avoid way stations

In case you're wondering why I cheer. These are the Oglala Sioux. This is the reservation that was treatied to them to include the Black Hills. Then without another treaty the then President broke up Pine Ridge to allow miners and settlers in the BH.
Then comes the part where Custer gets his azz kicked.
This is the site of the Wounded Knee incident.
Now on land that is clearly theirs by OUR law, the state of South Dakota doesn't even consult them to run over their land and destroy it and the water?
I am glad to see them stand up.
SD and Keystone can just pay the weigh scales and avoid going around them through these people's yard.

Trail of Tears those sons of bitches to some other barren part of the US and see how entitled they feel then.

mlurp · #17 (**permalink**) 03-07-2012, 01:07 PM

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Originally Posted by RedState

Its worse than Palestine:

The life expectancy of Lakota men is less than 44 years; 97 percent of the Lakota people live below the poverty line. The Lakota infant mortality rate is 300 percent higher than the national average. The tuberculosis rate on Lakota reservations is 800 percent higher than the national average; cervical cancer is 500 percent higher than the national average; the rate of diabetes is 800 percent higher than the national average

The unemployment rate on reservations is over 85 percent with the median income between $2,600 to $3,500 per year. One-third of the homes on reservations lack clean water and 40 percent of the homes lack electricity. In addition, alcoholism affects 8 in 10 Lakota families with rates of drug abuse and suicide increasing.

Makes me wonder just where does the B.I.A. spends the money for these tribes.
Surly not on Obama Health Care.

saltwn · #18 (**permalink**) 03-07-2012, 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Oftencold

Trust me, they get funds and programs that would stun you. I can't talk about it too much, for re3asons that I think you'll guess.

I will tell you though, that the image people have, and tribes cash in on, of the Native American and his deep bond with Nature and the Land, is as much of a stereotypical crock as the idea of people of African descent having a superhuman sense of rhythm and deep addiction to watermelon.

They are people, like everyone else. And our society has taught them very well, that if they claim to be deeply offended victims of the "White man's" callous greed, then somebody will soon show up with a checkbook to make it all better.

In Tampa, the Seminoles for instance, some years ago, made a big show about a disturbed burial ground and demanded to be given many acres of prime real estate to re-bury the bones of their ancestors and maybe build a cultural center.

The Pols tripped over themselves to comply. The Seminoles then built a convention and gambling center on the new land, with a large tax free tobacco operation. That's how this particular game is played.

Again I stress, that they are people just like the rest of us, and that were the roles changed, the rest of us would no doubt be doing the same sort of thing.

WIKI

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Reservation residents are eligible for all federal social assistance programs, including Temporary Aid for Needy Families (TANF), Supplemental Security Income (SSI), and food stamp programs. In addition, Food Distribution on Indian Reservations (FDPIR), often called "commodities," provides in-kind handouts of food. This program is the result of treaties established in the nineteenth and twentieth centuries that included provisions that the government would provide food and shelter for trial members. Each reservation has a commodities office, from which monthly food supplies are given out.[49] Unfortunately, this food tends to be nonperishable, heavy on simple starches, and nutritionally deficient, thus contributing to high rates of obesity and diabetes on reservations.[50] Public assistance does not effectively reduce poverty on the reservation. Although it may keep many families from being completely unable to survive, it does not build economies, reinstitute cultural institutions, or create a source of pride for reservation residents.[19]

Percent receiving aid

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The percent of reservation residents eligible for government aid tends to be much higher than that of the general population. On the ten largest reservations, the percent of residents receiving cash assistance ranges from four to fifteen times the national average. In addition, a higher portion of reservation residents are eligible for Supplemental Security Income. On average, ten percent of the population on the largest reservations are eligible for SSI benefits, compared with eight percent of all Americans. The percentage of reservation residents eligible for social security benefits is comparable to that of the national population.[6]

Annual cash assistance Pine Ridge individuals $3033 annually. Divide that by 12.

mlurp · #19 (**permalink**) 03-07-2012, 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by saltwn

WIKI

Percent receiving aid

Annual cash assistance Pine Ridge individuals $3033 annually. Divide that by 12.

salty you left out the links, not that it matters to me as I trust you and what you have posted. But others might want a look themselves.

saltwn · #20 (**permalink**) 03-07-2012, 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by GottaGo

Not arguing violation of treaties and such, they were done unto in a big way.

But read your post, salty.... equipment THOUGHT to be..... so they have no proof?

Preventing the pipeline being built on their land is one thing if all other routes have been exhausted, but to blockade equipment because they THINK it's going to be used?

Talk about weakening their cause......

GottaGo, look at the situation in reality. Those truck drivers are not going to tell them who they are hauling for and where to. So till they get an injunction this is what has to be done. I guess too if you live in a place long enough and traffic gets thicker than usual you know something is up.

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Originally Posted by faithful_servant

Sounds like living on the res is bad for you. Maybe they should get jobs in the oil fields and move off the res and live in a nicer place. No one is forcing them to stay on the res and in the Dakotas there's LOTS of work.

To be fair they never wanted to live there in the beginning. They were migratory as we all know. It is us who forced them into acceptance of these perimeters as their home.
As I indicated (and certainly this may not be true for tribes that have traditionally been more communicative with whites for instance the Cherokee), but the bottom line for a vast amount of Native people is not the monetary system.

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