It does work and I NEVER said anything differently. The problem is that it's not cost-effective and cannot support our energy needs. If you were to take a look at my "Favorites" on my home PC, you'd find two folders there - one for solar water heaters and one for SolarTubes. Once my stepson moves out and we start remodeling, these are HIGH on my list of things to install. There's NO doubt that there are steps we can take to reduce our energy needs, but when people start talking about crap that's not affordable, not realistic or has really bad side-effects, that's where I lose patience. We need to focus our efforts on the cost-effective ways of reducing our energy needs and stop wasting time and resources on stupid crap. I can guarantee you I can replace every bit of power this country currently generates using oil with hydro, just anchor barges along the length of the Mississippi, Columbia, Ohio and St Lawrence rivers with turbines that harness the flow of the water running under them to generate power. Technologically feasible, but the cost of the power would be staggering. By the standards of the green energy nuts, this is a great idea and we should be implementing it on every river in the country.

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Our nation has not always lived up to its ideals, yet those ideals have never ceased to guide us. They expose our flaws, and lead us to mend them. We are the beneficiaries of the work of the generations before us and it is each generation's responsibility to continue that work. - Laura Bush

Leftists and very small children don't seem to be able to understand that the Government isn't there to "fix" the economy, anymore than a tick is there to fix your dog.~Oftencold

If you're talking about sales subsidies alone without improvement in the technology, I concur.

As I also said however, the technology needs to improve.

Saying that since the state of the industry right now is not profitable, therefore it will never be profitable...is downright silly.

And that was my point to begin with.

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I never said it couldn't one day be that cats ass of energy production. I said currently it is not even self supporting. You countered with the efficiency of scale argument which I pointed out is not feasable with the current products.

Invent a solar panel that is cost effective and the economy of scale will become relevant. But in order to that you must do what I explained earlier and make it profitable.

Maybe we could harness the energy wasted trying to prove Obama is not a citizen. There are volumes of hot air there.

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This, what follows, has nothing to do with the myth of green jobs, but I have a pet peeve against the way lefties argue.

Why is it when a rightie gets off a clever bon mot, or persuasive point the leftie will not address it when it appears, but instead pirate it for his own later on. For example the right put this phrasing forward 3 pages ago in this thread.

I mean can't you guys think of anything for yourselves?

Just watch they're going to steal this.

Oh geez. Get your panties out of wad. I didn't see that comment. I am funny without anyones help. If you want credit go ahead and take it. As far as losing an arguement goes I haven't. I think we should conserve. ya know...like a conservative should want to. All I get is that green energy is a waste of time. I don't think it's a waste of time. I think it's an idea who's time has come. The things that use the most energy in a home are things that don't need to be on the grid. Heating your home and water. Cooling your home.
In the midwest there are companies who drill deep into the ground where the temps. are constant and hook up pumps that pump that air into your home. There are companies that have been installing solar for years that work fine. Why isn't there still tax breaks for these products? Any ideas on that?

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You are incorrect. Nobody is saying "green energy is a waste of time". They are saying overall green jobs are not economically viable on the scale Obama and others put them forward as a possible solution, at this time, at this state of the technology.