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But to be honest if there wasn't money to be made, companies wouldn't look for cures for AIDS and cancer. First and foremost, a corporation exists to make profits. Any side benefits are generally secondary.

Think about it, was it really necessary to create Viagara or hair replacement drugs? Sure, having those problems would not be nice, but there are more important problems out there to be solved.
Companies are made up of individuals and those individual research scientists may have a number of reasons for searching for a cure - often a family member or friend who suffered the illness.

Or maybe erectile disfunction...ya never know
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Old 01-05-2011, 11:40 AM
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Why do people seem to assume that all scientists supporting climate change have a financial stake in it? That seems to be the default argument descrediting the science.
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Why do people seem to assume that all scientists supporting climate change have a financial stake in it? That seems to be the default argument descrediting the science.
I can only speak for me.

Because scientists have to work for somebody, and most often it is someone who wants to prove/disprove a theory. Without the theory, they have no paycheck.

The piece I posted, that gentleman is a teacher, with no political leanings (self stated) and no need to support his employer.

I don't use it as a default, but it is usually a contributing factor.
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I can only speak for me.

Because scientists have to work for somebody, and most often it is someone who wants to prove/disprove a theory. Without the theory, they have no paycheck.

The piece I posted, that gentleman is a teacher, with no political leanings (self stated) and no need to support his employer.

I don't use it as a default, but it is usually a contributing factor.
Then that argument would descredit the skeptics as well.

In addition, those who are not scientists in those fields can not be assumed to have the knowledge or expertise to provide a credible opinion - their opinion would be like mine, a layman's - to be taken or discarded based on your personal feelings.

A lot of scientists work under the auspices of universities that, as a whole - aren't going to be strongly committed to any one theory as much as good science (and publication rates and bringing in research grants)...so while there could be conflicts of interest I think that is reduced by the scientific and publication process itself which is often self-policing.
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Old 01-05-2011, 11:58 AM
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Then that argument would descredit the skeptics as well.

In addition, those who are not scientists in those fields can not be assumed to have the knowledge or expertise to provide a credible opinion - their opinion would be like mine, a layman's - to be taken or discarded based on your personal feelings.

A lot of scientists work under the auspices of universities that, as a whole - aren't going to be strongly committed to any one theory as much as good science (and publication rates and bringing in research grants)...so while there could be conflicts of interest I think that is reduced by the scientific and publication process itself which is often self-policing.
Not necessarily. Skeptics don't usually have a way of profitting from the "lack" of climate change, unless the business itself is so anti-earth that it would have been over-regulated anyway.

One can agree/disagree with "climate change" to varying degrees (see my statement earlier about black & white on the topic of man's involvment therof) but what is being sold in to day's media doesn't see that.
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Not necessarily. Skeptics don't usually have a way of profitting from the "lack" of climate change, unless the business itself is so anti-earth that it would have been over-regulated anyway.
Skeptics often come from the ranks of the energy industry and other manufacturing concerns that have a direct stake in any climate legislation so i would disagree with you there.

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One can agree/disagree with "climate change" to varying degrees (see my statement earlier about black & white on the topic of man's involvment therof) but what is being sold in to day's media doesn't see that.
Or, is it what the media chooses to pick up and run with?

I try to follow the science - I find it more reliable than media hype or opinion pieces that are politically oriented.
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Skeptics often come from the ranks of the energy industry and other manufacturing concerns that have a direct stake in any climate legislation so i would disagree with you there.
Quite the opposite in the energy industry, considering recent increases based on the supposed Cap & Trade fallout. Don't know about you, but my energy bill isn't going down, and they are already talking about additional charges for "regulatory administration".

The current energy industries benefit from CC fears, the way I see it.
Or, is it what the media chooses to pick up and run with?

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I do the same. We just seem to end up in different places.
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Why do people seem to assume that all scientists supporting climate change have a financial stake in it? That seems to be the default argument descrediting the science.
Because it's what they do for a living, and wish, we assume to go on doing.

Usually, contrary to popular and academic opinion, the "Scientific Community" operates very much like a religious institution with a strong sense of orthodoxy, a low tolerance for perceived heresy, and a healthy dollop of corruption.
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Quite the opposite in the energy industry, considering recent increases based on the supposed Cap & Trade fallout. Don't know about you, but my energy bill isn't going down, and they are already talking about additional charges for "regulatory administration".

The current energy industries benefit from CC fears, the way I see it.
Or, is it what the media chooses to pick up and run with?
I think the energy industries benefit from promoting the fear of looming climate change regulation

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I do the same. We just seem to end up in different places.
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A lot of scientists work under the auspices of universities that, as a whole - aren't going to be strongly committed to any one theory as much as good science (and publication rates and bringing in research grants)...so while there could be conflicts of interest I think that is reduced by the scientific and publication process itself which is often self-policing.
Not quite true. Most funding comes from outside sources. These sources fund 'climate change' research and if you don't put out work that they like, no more funding for you.

Did you bother to read the Climategate emails in which they conspired to keep dissenting opinions out of 'their' journals?

On a side note: I send out a project for a grant proposal. I get turned down. but if I take the SAME proposal and add climate change mumbo jumbo to it, BAM I get funding. Seems kind of messed up doesn't it?
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