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Old 12-07-2007, 06:55 PM
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State Supreme Court won't review expelled gay student's case -- South Florida Sun-Sentinel.com

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The U.S. Supreme Court has ruled that the First Amendment allows private organizations to exclude gays.

In 2003, Woodard, then a senior, was expelled after disclosing his sexual orientation. Woodard and his mother sued the school, alleging that the school chaplain revealed Woodard was gay even though Woodard thought he was having a confidential conversation.

Jupiter Christian officials maintained that the chaplain was not a recognized member of the clergy and under no obligation to remain silent about the disclosure.
This issue is really close to home for me. While I think that the school has the right to discriminate against enrollment if they choose, they do not have the right to do so through means that aren't exactly on the "up and up".
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I hate to say it, because I feel for the guy... but the Supreme Court has it right.

The First Amendment DOES allow private organizations to exclude gays.

But in THIS particular case, the guy was so close to graduating. He obviously didn't destroy the place the first three years he was there. Would it have really been such a trauma to the school to let him finish his final year there?
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Well I take issue with two things.

1) If you are going to discriminate against something you should have it within your charter/admission requirements/ etc... If it isn't spelled out that they don't like gays, they should have to change the rules, print it, and the ones they have should be grandfathered in.

2) This boy told the school chaplain. The chaplain! He thought his conversation was confidential. Speaking to psychologists, your lawyer, and your minister are all protected conversations. This chaplain is the one who pressed the issue and told everyone.

I think that the Supreme Court has it wrong in that the rights of BOTH parties need to be protected and clearly the rights of the boy were not protected.
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I hate to say it, because I feel for the guy... but the Supreme Court has it right.

The First Amendment DOES allow private organizations to exclude gays.

But in THIS particular case, the guy was so close to graduating. He obviously didn't destroy the place the first three years he was there. Would it have really been such a trauma to the school to let him finish his final year there?
Agreed...

This shouldn't be a legal issue, but from a moral one, the school is being big prick on this...:
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Agreed...

This shouldn't be a legal issue, but from a moral one, the school is being big prick on this...:
Yep! And what do they think it's going to do for this young man's spirituality?
That kind of pompousness is just why a lot of people quit going to church. It's very hard to remember it's the message not the messenger when you're in the company of goof balls.
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it's the message not the messenger when you're in the company of goof balls.
I'm quoting you on that...That's a great line...
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I wonder is it a secret how this school feels about gays? And if has been gay for his whole time there, why was he keeping it secret? If a school has a rule against homosexual students, and it was a Christain School so you have to expect something to be said about the subject, you have to wonder why he kept his "secret" so long. If you think from the standpoint of the school, the student committed fraud himself by not advising them of this. I'm sure in a Christian school, the subject HAD to come up once or twice.
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I wonder is it a secret how this school feels about gays? And if has been gay for his whole time there, why was he keeping it secret? If a school has a rule against homosexual students, and it was a Christain School so you have to expect something to be said about the subject, you have to wonder why he kept his "secret" so long. If you think from the standpoint of the school, the student committed fraud himself by not advising them of this. I'm sure in a Christian school, the subject HAD to come up once or twice.
You would be surprised. I attend a Christian school that does not mention it. Beyond that, it's not something you jump out as. Monday, average student, then on Tuesday, barricade the doors because I'm here, I'm queer, get used to it! It's a long process and he may have been questioning his life. He confided in a chaplain! I mean he was talking to someone with whom he expected to have a reasonable level of confidence. Obviously that trust was misplaced. It's not the student who has abused the trust in this case, it's the school.
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I guess it's just a matter of perspective. For an outsider such as me, it just seems to be a given that a Christian School would frown upon graduating a gay student. Considering the teachings of the Bible, it would make the school look like a failure.

It's unfair that the school kicked him out after soo long, but it also seems a bit dishonest to hide that you were gay for that long. The "Christian" view on that subject is far from a secret.
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And there are many Christians who would find it "un-Christian" to kid the guy out as even Jesus embraced the sinner. There are many who operate under the theory that no sin is greater than another and we all sin daily. *shrug* Just depends on how Christian the Christian.
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