"What group is that?
White? You listed that.
Christian? It was ON THE WEB-SITE, but you cut that out of your post.
Straight? It was ON THE WEB-SITE, but you cut that out of your post.

Anti-Catholic 81
Anti-Protestant 62
Anti-Heterosexual 28

So please explain what group doesn't "need" protection???

Nobody "needs" any protection that existing laws against assualt, battery, stalking, harrasment and homocide don't already provide.

Unless you're niave enough to think that the type of thug who is going to beat up a homosexual simply for being there is going to not do it because some "hate crime" law is on the books.

I only repeated the word "need" because cnredd used it.

My argument works more along societal values and a desire to reflect them in law.
I openly admit that there is no "need" for hate crime laws, but since society wants them and there is no constitutional prohibition, society should get them.

That doesn't really work.

A person could steal a hammer from a Mom and Pop hardware store and it would hurt them more than stealing a hammer from Home Depot (whose insurance would pay for it). It would bother the conglomerate a lot less, but it doesn't change the legal status of such an act. I think that no one would argue that shoplifting hurts everyone... (Higher prices and such.)

There is no reason why any group, majority or minority, should feel that they can be abused with impunity.

Nope...

Stealing from each is a crime beforehand...The consequences of the offender should be no different...If I steal $20 from Bill Gates, it's still stealing..."He can afford it." is NOT a defense...

That's called "equality"...

I, as a Christian, currently feel that I can be "abused with impunity"...and that's led by groups that beg for protection themselves...

The difference is that I don't demand government interference...

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And yet, right there in your citation, we find that bias crimes against Christians are reported, and presumably prosecuted.


No one that I know wishes for Christians to be "abused with impunity." Christians are already protected under current bias laws and I am unaware for anyone calling for this to be repealed.

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Christians have full legal protection.

If someone was to attack you, deny you employment or otherwise abuse you because you are a Christian, you would have recourse under the law.

Except for the denying employemt (or housing) part, I don't agree with that for anybody.

I think hate crime laws are stupid on their face.

Does it hurt any more to get kicked in the head for being gay, Christian (or a gay Christian) than it would simply becasuse the person who did it didn't like the shirt you were wearing.. or wanted to steal your money?

You could argue that wealthy people are far more likely to be "targeted" for violent crime, kidnapping (think of that "ransom" movie with Mel Gibson) and all sorts of other things that poor bastards like me don't have to give a second thought about.
Where are the special laws to "protect" rich folk?

Also, if a rich guy gets wasted for the cash he had, is he any less dead than a poor gay man who was slain?

"The U.S. Supreme Court unanimously found that penalty-enhancement hate crime statutes do not conflict with free speech rights because they do not punish an individual for exercising freedom of expression; rather, they allow courts to consider motive when sentencing a criminal for conduct which is not protected by the First Amendment"

And there you have it.."they allow courts to consider motive when sentencing a criminal.

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"For malicious purposes" covers it all for me...

It shouldn't matter whether someone was gay, Christian or Italian...It was still wrong and evil...

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1) It's illegal and gets a conviction just the same.
The only thing that changes is the sentencing.

2) All crimes are not created equally.
If you truly think they are, shouldn't we have one sentence for any given crime?
Manslaughter => X years. Not a Y to X sentencing range.


What a load of crap.
Christians are protected just as much minority religion groups.
Just because Christians victimize other minority groups more often than the other way around doesn't make the idea wrong.

Does the fact that men rape women by a greater margin than the other way around somehow reduce the legitimacy of the law?

Can you show any "crime" against a minority religious group which would no longer be a crime if the focus was suddenly Christian.