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Gays Deserve Torture, Death Penalty, Iranian Minister Says


Homosexuals deserve to be executed or tortured and possibly both, an Iranian leader told British MPs during a private meeting at a peace conference, The Times has learned.

Mohsen Yahyavi is the highest-ranked politician to admit that Iran believes in the death penalty for homosexuality after a spate of reports that gay youths were being hanged.

President Ahmadinejad, questioned by students in New York two months ago about the executions, dodged the issue by suggesting that there were no gays in his country.

Britain regularly challenges Iran about its gay hangings, stonings and executions of adulterers and perceived moral criminals, Foreign and Commonwealth Office (FCO) papers show.

The latest row involves a woman hanged this June in the town of Gorgan after becoming pregnant by her brother. He was absolved after expressing his remorse. Britain said that this demonstrated the unequal treatment of men and women in law and breached Iran’s pledge to restrict the death penalty to the most serious crimes.

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"Homosexuals deserve to be executed or tortured and possibly both"..Mohsen Yahyavi

They may have to import homosexuuals,Ahmadinejad said they had no gays..
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Yet another example of how a state controlled by a religion unchecked ultimately leads to internal 'cleansing'.
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Where's the UN?...
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Where's the UN?...
We haven't fully paid our dues so I don't see how we can expect them to do anything. I will agree that the UN has done nothing. Homosexuals are being murdered all over the world (including the US) simply for being homosexual. Sadly, there are very few countries that have the moral authority to lead in this arena and the United States isn't one of them yet.
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We haven't fully paid our dues so I don't see how we can expect them to do anything. I will agree that the UN has done nothing. Homosexuals are being murdered all over the world (including the US) simply for being homosexual. Sadly, there are very few countries that have the moral authority to lead in this arena and the United States isn't one of them yet.
And heterosexuals have been killed by gay people, too, so I don't see your point...

The difference is that America, unlike some countries, don't have a POLICY of killing gays...

If a gay guy gets killed in America, the INDIVIDUAL who killed him is responsible...NOT the state...

Unlike Iran, where the state IS the one doing the killing...
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And heterosexuals have been killed by gay people, too, so I don't see your point...

The difference is that America, unlike some countries, don't have a POLICY of killing gays...

If a gay guy gets killed in America, the INDIVIDUAL who killed him is responsible...NOT the state...

Unlike Iran, where the state IS the one doing the killing...
Ooooh... the disingenuous streak strikes again! "Heterosexuals have been killed by gay people, too, so I don't see your point..." The point, I thought, was clear. Even in America we have institutionalized discrimination against homosexuals that borders on oppression in some areas. Even in America there are groups who are openly promoting the eradication of the homosexual from the American landscape. By stating something so flippant as "Heterosexuals have been killed too." belittles the well documented struggle that homosexuals have endured in this country. The numbers of heterosexuals killed by homosexuals are minuscule in comparison to the number of homosexuals killed by heterosexuals in acts of hate.

While it is true that there is a difference between Iran and the US (a point I don't deny nor insinuated to be false in my post), that doesn't mean that the US has the moral authority to speak out on issues of homosexual oppression. Sadly, the countries with that sort of authority would be countries like Canada.

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Ooooh... the disingenuous streak strikes again! "Heterosexuals have been killed by gay people, too, so I don't see your point..." The point, I thought, was clear. Even in America we have institutionalized discrimination against homosexuals that borders on oppression in some areas. Even in America there are groups who are openly promoting the eradication of the homosexual from the American landscape.
bad argument...

We also have groups that openly promote the eradication of both white people and minorities, the destruction of religious facilities of multiple faiths, and other groups...

That's the price of living in an open society...People are allowed to be dipshits...

But once again, unlike Iran, these are NOT state sponsored...

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By stating something so flippant as "Heterosexuals have been killed too." belittles the well documented struggle that homosexuals have endured in this country. The numbers of heterosexuals killed by homosexuals are minuscule in comparison to the number of homosexuals killed by heterosexuals in acts of hate.
The numbers of homosexuals killed through the courts because of their homosexuality is zero...

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While it is true that there is a difference between Iran and the US (a point I don't deny nor insinuated to be false in my post), that doesn't mean that the US has the moral authority to speak out on issues of homosexual oppression. Sadly, the countries with that sort of authority would be countries like Canada.

"Be without sin to caste the first stone."
Spoken just like Rosie O'Donnell when she said Christians are as guilty as Muslims when it comes to terror...

OOGA BOOGA!...

Moral equivalence destroys this country's spine...:
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bad argument...

We also have groups that openly promote the eradication of both white people and minorities, the destruction of religious facilities of multiple faiths, and other groups...

That's the price of living in an open society...People are allowed to be dipshits...

But once again, unlike Iran, these are NOT state sponsored...

The numbers of homosexuals killed through the courts because of their homosexuality is zero...

Spoken just like Rosie O'Donnell when she said Christians are as guilty as Muslims when it comes to terror...

OOGA BOOGA!...

Moral equivalence destroys this country's spine...:
A man is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own fact. If I recall Christians were the original terrorists... Danged Crusades... But I wasn't making that argument. You are trying to avoid the point which is that the United States doesn't really have the right to bitch about gay rights in another country when we can't get it right here. We claim the value of equality and we are... we are equal under discriminatory laws.
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A man is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own fact. If I recall Christians were the original terrorists... Danged Crusades...
Gotta go back 500 years to equate what's going on with Islam today...Think about that for a little...

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But I wasn't making that argument. You are trying to avoid the point which is that the United States doesn't really have the right to bitch about gay rights in another country when we can't get it right here. We claim the value of equality and we are... we are equal under discriminatory laws.
In your world of moral equivalence, the US can't bitch about ANYTHING because someone just like you will try to equate any disgusting thing going on in the world today with incidents that have also happened in the US...

Some country has slaves?...Someone will declare the US can't bitch about it...

Some country kill gays through their courts?...Someone(you) will declare the US can't bitch about it...

Some country kills a rival sect or tribe?...Someone will declare the US can't bitch about it...

Some country picks individuals dissenting on their country and throws them in jail?...Someone will declare the US can't bitch about it...

You see?...Nomatter the subject, there will always be people like you to create American guilt and hand-wringing to stifle the accusations of bad behavior elsewhere...
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