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I'm not saying that what is going on in Iran is acceptable. I'm merely saying for being a society that is quick to condemn the killings of homosexuals, we sure are slow to recognize them as full and equal human beings. For that, we should feel guilty.
Guilty might not be the right word.

Recognizing a wrong done is NOT always a function of guilt.

America does need to understand that gay and lesbian people are NOT treated equally, but GUILT is not a function of law.

I agree that the attempts to take the moral high road when this country has mistreated assorted people is hypocritical. At the same time, it does not mean that we, as a nation, are unqualified to recognize problems as we attempt to fix our own. Yes. there have been MAJOR injustices that are being worked on. As long as people don't get haughty about it, there is nothing wrong with saying 'we know from experience that this is wrong.'

Are we perfect? NO. We fight to create BALANCE. In this fight, we must also recognize what is going on around us.

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Guilty might not be the right word.

Recognizing a wrong done is NOT always a function of guilt.

America does need to understand that gay and lesbian people are NOT treated equally, but GUILT is not a function of law.

I agree that the attempts to take the moral high road when this country has mistreated assorted people is hypocritical. At the same time, it does not mean that we, as a nation, are unqualified to recognize problems as we attempt to fix our own. Yes. there have been MAJOR injustices that are being worked on. As long as people don't get haughty about it, there is nothing wrong with saying 'we know from experience that this is wrong.'

Are we perfect? NO. We fight to create BALANCE. In this fight, we must also recognize what is going on around us.

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Perfect sense...
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Why is the Iranian government so concerned about torturing and killing people that supposedly don't even exist in their country?
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Why is the Iranian government so concerned about torturing and killing people that supposedly don't even exist in their country?
Maybe they're telling other countries what they should do to their homosexuals...
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Homosexuals deserve to be executed or tortured and possibly both, an Iranian leader told British MPs during a private meeting at a peace conference, The Times has learned.

Mohsen Yahyavi is the highest-ranked politician to admit that Iran believes in the death penalty for homosexuality after a spate of reports that gay youths were being hanged.

President Ahmadinejad, questioned by students in New York two months ago about the executions, dodged the issue by suggesting that there were no gays in his country.

Britain regularly challenges Iran about its gay hangings, stonings and executions of adulterers and perceived moral criminals, Foreign and Commonwealth Office (FCO) papers show.

The latest row involves a woman hanged this June in the town of Gorgan after becoming pregnant by her brother. He was absolved after expressing his remorse. Britain said that this demonstrated the unequal treatment of men and women in law and breached Iran’s pledge to restrict the death penalty to the most serious crimes.

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FOXNews.com - Gays Deserve Torture, Death Penalty, Iranian Minister Says - International News

"Homosexuals deserve to be executed or tortured and possibly both"..Mohsen Yahyavi

They may have to import homosexuuals,Ahmadinejad said they had no gays..
Are you sure it wasn't Bush or a Christian Rightwing leader who said this?

I have seen similar statements by Americans. reminds one of Pat Roberts
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Are you sure it wasn't Bush or a Christian Rightwing leader who said this?

I have seen similar statements by Americans. reminds one of Pat Roberts
Show me one time when Pat Robertson or George W Bush said anything like that.
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from the ever-so-Christian Pat Robertson:

Gays were behind Hitler

“When lawlessness is abroad in the land, the same thing will happen here that happened in Nazi Germany. Many of those people involved in Adolph Hitler were Satanists. Many of them were homosexuals. The two things seem to go together.” - 700 Club, 1-21-93 (source: People for the American Way Foundation)

Gays are appalling

“...What kind of craziness is it in our society which will put a cloak of secrecy around a group of people whose lifestyle is at best abominable. Homosexuality is an abomination. The practices of those people is appalling. It is a pathology. It is a sickness, and instead of thinking of giving these people a preferred status and privacy, we should treat AIDS exactly the same way as any other communicable disease...” - 700 Club, 6-6-88 (source: People for the American Way Foundation)

Gays want to disprupt churches, spread AIDS and spit at ministers

"[Homosexuals]want to come into churches and disrupt church services and throw blood all around and try to give people AIDS and spit in the face of ministers." Pat Robertson, 700 Club, 1/18/95 - People for the American Way Web site, http://www.pfaw.org/issues/right/rtvw.antigay.shtml

Homosexuality leads to decline of civilization

"...the acceptance of homosexuality is the last step in the decline of Gentile civilization." --Pat Robertson, of the Christian Broadcasting Network, warned that hurricanes could hit Orlando, Fla., because of gay events there. Time magazine, Oct 26, 1998

Entire world will suffer if homosexuality is accepted

“If the world accepts homosexuality as its norm and if it moves the entire world in that regard, the whole world is then going to be sitting like Sodom and Gomorrah before a Holy God. And when the wrath of God comes on this earth, we will all be guilty and we will all suffer for
it.” - 700 Club, 9-6-95 (source: People for the American Way Foundation)

Gays are diseased, depressed, and miserable

“You know, one of the great misnomers in our society is the term `gay.’ That somebody who is involved in something that is leading to suicide, where the V.D. rate is 11 times that of others, which are almost driven and ashamed and fearful and confused and psychotic and all the others that we read about plaguing this part of our society. The term gay is the most serious misuse of the English language. They’re not gay, they’re very, very depressed and miserable.” - 700 Club, 5-6-82 (source: People for the American Way Foundation)

Homosexuality is an anti-social sickness

“This conduct [homosexuality] is anti-social, and it is a pathology. It is a sickness, and it needs to be treated. It doesn’t need to be taught in the classroom as a preferred way of life...” - 700 Club, 3-7-90 (source: People for the American Way Foundation)

Gays are after children

“It’s one thing to say, `We have rights to jobs...we have rights to be left alone in out little corner of the world to do our thing.’ It’s an entirely different thing to say, well, `We’re not only going to go into the schools and we’re going to take your children and your grandchildren
and turn them into homosexuals.’ Now that’s wrong.” - 700 Club, 9-17-92 (source: People for the American Way Foundation)

Homosexuality means God has given up on society

“When you see the rise of blatant open homosexuality and lesbianism, what you also know is God has given a society up...and we’re at the mercy of the elements, the mercy of war, the mercy of economic disaster.” - 700 Club, 4-26-93 (source: People for the American Way Foundation)

Lesbians are against motherhood

"The radical left is doing everything they can to destroy the moral fiber of America. They want to do away with the family. I am absolutely persuaded one of the reasons so many lesbians are at the forefront of the pro-choice movement is because being a mother is the unique
characteristic of womanhood, and these lesbians will never be mothers naturally, so they don't want anybody else to have that privilege either." - 700 Club, 5-18-93 (source: People for the American Way Foundation)

Discrimination against gays...

“Since our nation was founded, we have discriminated against certain things. We discriminate against kidnappers. We discriminate against murderers. We discriminate against thieves...There are laws that prohibit that kind of conduct. And there have been laws since the founding of our country against what are considered unnatural sex acts, sex between members of the same sex.” - 700 Club, 12-24-93 (source: People for the American Way Foundation)

Homosexuality is "sodomy", repugnant

“The concept, the word for homosexual behavior is sodomy. That is what is used in the official documents. It is sodomy. It is repugnant. It has been prohibited and proscribed by sane society throughout countless millennia, centuries. People have understood that it is wrong. Now in America, not only is it happening, it is getting civil rights protection in the law, and these people are invading churches.” - 700 Club, 1-18-94 (source: People for the American Way Foundation)

Gays want to destroy Christians

"[Gays seek] to destroy all Christians." - People for the American Way, "Hostile Climate," 1994, p.9.
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from the ever-so-Christian Pat Robertson:

Gays were behind Hitler

“When lawlessness is abroad in the land, the same thing will happen here that happened in Nazi Germany. Many of those people involved in Adolph Hitler were Satanists. Many of them were homosexuals. The two things seem to go together.” - 700 Club, 1-21-93 (source: People for the American Way Foundation)

Gays are appalling

“...What kind of craziness is it in our society which will put a cloak of secrecy around a group of people whose lifestyle is at best abominable. Homosexuality is an abomination. The practices of those people is appalling. It is a pathology. It is a sickness, and instead of thinking of giving these people a preferred status and privacy, we should treat AIDS exactly the same way as any other communicable disease...” - 700 Club, 6-6-88 (source: People for the American Way Foundation)

Gays want to disprupt churches, spread AIDS and spit at ministers

"[Homosexuals]want to come into churches and disrupt church services and throw blood all around and try to give people AIDS and spit in the face of ministers." Pat Robertson, 700 Club, 1/18/95 - People for the American Way Web site, http://www.pfaw.org/issues/right/rtvw.antigay.shtml

Homosexuality leads to decline of civilization

"...the acceptance of homosexuality is the last step in the decline of Gentile civilization." --Pat Robertson, of the Christian Broadcasting Network, warned that hurricanes could hit Orlando, Fla., because of gay events there. Time magazine, Oct 26, 1998

Entire world will suffer if homosexuality is accepted

“If the world accepts homosexuality as its norm and if it moves the entire world in that regard, the whole world is then going to be sitting like Sodom and Gomorrah before a Holy God. And when the wrath of God comes on this earth, we will all be guilty and we will all suffer for
it.” - 700 Club, 9-6-95 (source: People for the American Way Foundation)

Gays are diseased, depressed, and miserable

“You know, one of the great misnomers in our society is the term `gay.’ That somebody who is involved in something that is leading to suicide, where the V.D. rate is 11 times that of others, which are almost driven and ashamed and fearful and confused and psychotic and all the others that we read about plaguing this part of our society. The term gay is the most serious misuse of the English language. They’re not gay, they’re very, very depressed and miserable.” - 700 Club, 5-6-82 (source: People for the American Way Foundation)

Homosexuality is an anti-social sickness

“This conduct [homosexuality] is anti-social, and it is a pathology. It is a sickness, and it needs to be treated. It doesn’t need to be taught in the classroom as a preferred way of life...” - 700 Club, 3-7-90 (source: People for the American Way Foundation)

Gays are after children

“It’s one thing to say, `We have rights to jobs...we have rights to be left alone in out little corner of the world to do our thing.’ It’s an entirely different thing to say, well, `We’re not only going to go into the schools and we’re going to take your children and your grandchildren
and turn them into homosexuals.’ Now that’s wrong.” - 700 Club, 9-17-92 (source: People for the American Way Foundation)

Homosexuality means God has given up on society

“When you see the rise of blatant open homosexuality and lesbianism, what you also know is God has given a society up...and we’re at the mercy of the elements, the mercy of war, the mercy of economic disaster.” - 700 Club, 4-26-93 (source: People for the American Way Foundation)

Lesbians are against motherhood

"The radical left is doing everything they can to destroy the moral fiber of America. They want to do away with the family. I am absolutely persuaded one of the reasons so many lesbians are at the forefront of the pro-choice movement is because being a mother is the unique
characteristic of womanhood, and these lesbians will never be mothers naturally, so they don't want anybody else to have that privilege either." - 700 Club, 5-18-93 (source: People for the American Way Foundation)

Discrimination against gays...

“Since our nation was founded, we have discriminated against certain things. We discriminate against kidnappers. We discriminate against murderers. We discriminate against thieves...There are laws that prohibit that kind of conduct. And there have been laws since the founding of our country against what are considered unnatural sex acts, sex between members of the same sex.” - 700 Club, 12-24-93 (source: People for the American Way Foundation)

Homosexuality is "sodomy", repugnant

“The concept, the word for homosexual behavior is sodomy. That is what is used in the official documents. It is sodomy. It is repugnant. It has been prohibited and proscribed by sane society throughout countless millennia, centuries. People have understood that it is wrong. Now in America, not only is it happening, it is getting civil rights protection in the law, and these people are invading churches.” - 700 Club, 1-18-94 (source: People for the American Way Foundation)

Gays want to destroy Christians

"[Gays seek] to destroy all Christians." - People for the American Way, "Hostile Climate," 1994, p.9.
Well no one said GLAAD was gonna be giving him any awards any time soon, but I don't see where he calls for mass executions (or worse, participating in mass executions), things we see from the Iranian government.
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Well no one said GLAAD was gonna be giving him any awards any time soon, but I don't see where he calls for mass executions (or worse, participating in mass executions), things we see from the Iranian government.
Don't think for one minute he wouldn't if given an opportunity.
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Don't think for one minute he wouldn't if given an opportunity.
Why not? I mean, the guy's #1 issue is life, the preservation and extension thereof.
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