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Where's the UN?...
Actually, the UN really can't do a lot about it since Dubya decided to take China's side against a UN resolution that would have elevated homosexual "cleansing" to the status of human rights crisis.
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Actually, the UN really can't do a lot about it since Dubya decided to take China's side against a UN resolution that would have elevated homosexual "cleansing" to the status of human rights crisis.
Which I assume you disagree. Pretty convenient if you ask me, sounds like someone's putting himself ahead of his country here!
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Which I assume you disagree. Pretty convenient if you ask me, sounds like someone's putting himself ahead of his country here!
I'm not sure I follow what you are saying. Could you clarify please?
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While it is true that there is a difference between Iran and the US (a point I don't deny nor insinuated to be false in my post), that doesn't mean that the US has the moral authority to speak out on issues of homosexual oppression. Sadly, the countries with that sort of authority would be countries like Canada. "Be without sin to caste the first stone."
Excellent point,the US should stay completely out of this issue because we lack the moral authority to speak out.Following this kind of "logic"..very few countries could speak out on "any" issue except for Canada and maybe Iceland..

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I'm not sure I follow what you are saying. Could you clarify please?
It was an apparently poor attempt at a joke.
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It was an apparently poor attempt at a joke.
Or I could just be a dumbass with no sense of humor.
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I find it interesting when articles like this are posted.

Often, the comment that is put with it (and I am NOT speaking of you Mr. Collins) is that gay people should not complain because they have it better in the US than we would in other countries.

It is true that gay folks DO have it better here than in places like Iran, but this does not mean that any American citizen should feel onbligated to settling for second best when it comes to rights.

Just sayin...

As a note... From reading the article I would guess that the "woman" that was executed for becoming pregnant with her brother's child was the 13 year old girl that was listed in the list of victims. Needless to say, she probably wasn't given a lot of choice in whether or not to sleep with her brother!
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Or I could just be a dumbass with no sense of humor.
My intuition says otherwise but what the hell, who am I to say you don't suck?
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Gotta go back 500 years to equate what's going on with Islam today...Think about that for a little...

In your world of moral equivalence, the US can't bitch about ANYTHING because someone just like you will try to equate any disgusting thing going on in the world today with incidents that have also happened in the US...

Some country has slaves?...Someone will declare the US can't bitch about it...

Some country kill gays through their courts?...Someone(you) will declare the US can't bitch about it...

Some country kills a rival sect or tribe?...Someone will declare the US can't bitch about it...

Some country picks individuals dissenting on their country and throws them in jail?...Someone will declare the US can't bitch about it...

You see?...Nomatter the subject, there will always be people like you to create American guilt and hand-wringing to stifle the accusations of bad behavior elsewhere...
I'm not saying that what is going on in Iran is acceptable. I'm merely saying for being a society that is quick to condemn the killings of homosexuals, we sure are slow to recognize them as full and equal human beings. For that, we should feel guilty.
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In a reversal of policy, the United States on Monday backed an Iranian initiative to deny United Nations consultative status to organizations working to protect the rights of lesbian, gay, bisexual, and transgender (LGBT) people. In a letter to Secretary of State Condoleeza Rice, a coalition of 40 organizations, led by the Human Rights Campaign, Human Rights Watch, the International Gay and Lesbian Human Rights Commission, and the National Gay and Lesbian Task Force, called for an explanation of the vote which aligned the United States with governments that have long repressed the rights of sexual minorities.
United Nations: U.S. Aligned With Iran in Anti-Gay Vote (Human Rights Watch, 25-1-2006)

It looks like the U.S. was backing an Iranian initiative to help ensure the UN doesn't speak out against governments that oppress homosexuals.

So the U.S. has already backed an IRANian initiative to keep countries quiet (via the UN) on gay rights issues.
So it's not limited to an issue of "moral authority", but rather just a general "shut up" as other countries oppress gays...
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