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Go out and buy yourself a silk thong, that should make you feel gayer...
Is that something you have first hand knowledge of? I'm just wondering.
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Is that something you have first hand knowledge of? I'm just wondering.
I have first hand knowledge of it, and I'm here ta' tell ya' it ain't what it's "cracked" up ta' be.
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I silk thongs make you gay, I'm hetero as hell because I haven't worn anything but cotton boxer briefs in the last 16 years.
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All HIGHLY theoretical and goal based research (instead of proposing a theory and then testing it to seeif it's correct, propose a theory and then prove that it's right) Basic common sense says that homosexuals reproduce at a lower rate than heterosexuals. Ergo, homosexuals would be bred out of the gene pool over time. It's not rocket science, just very simple math.
I seem to remember a study that showed that femailes with gay brothers had a higher rate of fecundity (reproduction) than their counterparts that did not have gay brothers.

That would explain it right there. If the siblings of gay men were having more kids, then the genetic material would be passed on.
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I seem to remember a study that showed that femailes with gay brothers had a higher rate of fecundity (reproduction) than their counterparts that did not have gay brothers.

That would explain it right there. If the siblings of gay men were having more kids, then the genetic material would be passed on.
That would increase the numbers of gay men in rural and agricultural countries then and decrease the number of gay men in more advanced civilizations since economic success lowers birth rate in many situations.

Or it would mean that the mothers of gay men are less educated or poor since those women are statistically more likely to have many children. I'm sure there are many other angles to look at that and see if the numbers correlate instead of just seeing how many kids the siblings of gay guys have.
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That would increase the numbers of gay men in rural and agricultural countries then and decrease the number of gay men in more advanced civilizations since economic success lowers birth rate in many situations.

Or it would mean that the mothers of gay men are less educated or poor since those women are statistically more likely to have many children. I'm sure there are many other angles to look at that and see if the numbers correlate instead of just seeing how many kids the siblings of gay guys have.
You are thinking in terms of modern societies rather than in terms of the whole history of humanity. Humans were primarily agricultural until about 100-200 years ago. That is a fairly irrelevant time period when it comes to passing genetics. The pattern of fecundity would have been established by evolution LONG before that point.

Also, it is common, in this modern time, for many gay people to move to larger cities when they grow up in rural areas.

All of that said, there is always room for further study. There are probably other corrolations that have not yet been discovered.
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You are thinking in terms of modern societies rather than in terms of the whole history of humanity. Humans were primarily agricultural until about 100-200 years ago. That is a fairly irrelevant time period when it comes to passing genetics. The pattern of fecundity would have been established by evolution LONG before that point.

Also, it is common, in this modern time, for many gay people to move to larger cities when they grow up in rural areas.

All of that said, there is always room for further study. There are probably other corrolations that have not yet been discovered.
Or this might just be another correlation that is rather one dimensional and upon further study, simply does not pan out. Personally if you have to look this deep to find purpose in something, and still not find a concise answer, it's probably just an error. Just like it appears to be on the surface.

You can "correlate" all day long if you start with a aberrant situation and try to justify it as normal with one dimensional study. But the truly normal heterosexual orientation can be studied from purpose to orientation to behavioral manifestation and vice versa. No such luck with any of the other sexual urges.
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Homosexuality: Another Adventist Point of View - The Science of Homosexuality: What is Known

More and more, the conclusion that homosexuality is not a disease state, but one of normal variant, becomes prevalent, and "widely accepted".
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That's more or less a blog from a gay member of the church isn't it? Because the church itself still opposes it according to this page of your link.
Homosexuality: Another Adventist Point of View - Appendix A
Or am I missing something? I'm sure there are those that would be more than happy to point out my error.
Seventh day Adventist Position Statement on Homosexuality — 1999

This statement was voted and approved by the General Conference of Seventh-day Adventist Executive Committee at the Annual Council Session on Sunday, October 3, 1999 in Silver Spring, Maryland, USA

The Seventh day Adventist Church recognizes that every human being is valuable in the sight of God, and we seek to minister to all men and women in the spirit of Jesus. We also believe that by God's grace and through the encouragement of the community of faith, an individual may live in harmony with the principles of God's Word.

Seventh day Adventists believe that sexual intimacy belongs only within the marital relationship of a man and a woman.
This was the design established by God at creation. The Scriptures declare: "For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and they will become one flesh" (Gen. 2:24, NIV). Throughout Scripture this heterosexual pattern is affirmed.

The Bible makes no accommodation for homosexual activity or relationships. Sexual acts outside the circle of a heterosexual marriage are forbidden (Lev. 20:7 21; Rom. 1:24 27; 1 Cor. 6:9 11).


Jesus Christ reaffirmed the divine creation intent: "‘Haven't you read,' he replied, ‘that at the beginning the Creator "made them male and female," and said, "For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh?" So they are no longer two, but one'" (Matt. 19:4 6, NIV). For these reasons Adventists are opposed to homosexual practices and relationships.

Seventh day Adventists endeavor to follow the instruction and example of Jesus. He affirmed the dignity of all human beings and reached out compassionately to persons and families suffering the consequences of sin. He offered caring ministry and words of solace to struggling people, while differentiating His love for sinners from His clear teaching about sinful practices.

Seventh-day Adventist Position Statement on Homosexuality
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Excuse me, but I was providing fodder for your recalcitrant mind...you cannot be made to see, what you are "unwilling" to see...
It's not my job to convince you that homosexuality is neither aberrant nor special, but quite common, in the natural world and in human society.
There will remain those whose own inner demons and turmoil will prevent them from existing in a "live and let live" environment, and will endeavor to convince others of the myopic view they have of the world as "the norm"

more fodder for your edification:
CHRISTIANISING HOMOSEXUALITY
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