APA states that mental instability does not equal homosexuality. So thats how we know. People trained in understanding the human mind have shown no correlation between the two. In addition, the OP was intended to show that the Governor was doing the right thing by his daughter. Many of us believe that when you become a parent and your child reaches a level of maturity, they have the right to make decisions for themselves and though you don't agree with the decision, you don't reject them because of it. The stress of coming out or worse yet, not coming and out hiding such a big part of your life from those you love the most is emotionally stressful. This is why they believe the gay rate is higher.

In addition, the numbers are unreliable because it's based on SELF IDENTIFICATION. If a person was to commit suicide because they were ashamed of being gay, then the wouldn't likely self-identify as gay unless it was found in a journal or diary or through close friends.

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Ahhh I think you and others are injecting things the study does not say, I am commenting on what in fact it does say.

The whole idea that a young emotionally immature teenager, suddenly on the street, alone, looking for love and support from anywhere might get caught up in homosexual behavior is perfectly reasonable.

It's your sides claim not mine YOU sustaniate it with something that does so this time.


The sad part is you having nothing left but invective.


Oh well.


Proving my point.

No one said it does.....specious argument.

But as the article stated, children on the streets, emotionally immature under stresses they can't cope with, are subject to engaging in all sorts of harmful behaviors.

So when someone can prove what was claimed but not proven, that these kids ran away from home because their parents rejected the homosexual behavior please do so.

She starts out by saying it's a private issue, then she says she needs to share it. A bit of confusion, seems like it. Why is it that most lesbians and homosexuals need to make a public statement about their sexuality??

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Nowhere does it say the fantasies you previously explained.
Nowhere does it say anything about proving a "gay lifestyle" as "mentally unhealthy" or "harmful".

You were commenting on things it did NOT say.


Part of the problem with your fantasy is the question of WHY wouldn't "heterosexual behavior" also be somewhere that the "teenager" could find "love and support".

Is heterosexuality just lacking in "love and support" as compared to homosexuality?
Is that why people would suddenly shift from an ABUNDANT resource (plenty of heterosexuals) to a more rare situation (only about 5% gay)?
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Look. You're not that good at this.
You're trying to concoct some story to try to condemn homosexuality, using a resource which obviously does NOT condemn homosexuality like you lied and claimed.


This is hilarious.
YOU came here with the argument that these runaways "turned" gay on the streets.
And now you want ME to substantiate or refute YOUR argument???

One of the things that is funny about all this is the pretense that sexual orientation is just so ridiculously interchangeable.
But this pretense is typically obliterated when you ask the person if THEIR sexuality could be so malleable.

There are a variety of relevant research efforts which refute such a premise.
Like children raised by gay parents. Under the pretense of some, these kids SHOULD be more likely to be gay, if sexual orientation were so malleable.
But the research shows that kids of gays are NO MORE LIKELY to be gay than kids of straight parents.



There is PLENTY on these posts that we COULD talk about.
But time and time again, you IGNORE the legitimate arguments and you fixate on the side comments.
And my comment was not "invective", but simply factual.
It's funny how you talk about how you're going to ignore my arguments, but of course THAT is supposedly not invective.
But my RESPONSE to your comments suddenly becomes invective.

Over and over again, you RUN TOWARDS passive aggressive attacks that are proven over and over again to be either invented or meaningless.
I don't know if you're trying to garner sympathy from others, or just provide diversions, but neither is accomplished.

Try replacing "sexual orientation" with "religion" and see if you can understand what's REALLY going on here.
When people talk about "private", it doesn't mean it's a deep dark secret that nobody talks about.
"Private" denotes something that it is a PERSONAL CHOICE for the individual to decide who and where to share the information with.
"Public" denotes something that is not a personal choice for the individual to restrict knowledge on.

The statement you quote was simply an acknowledgement that it SHOULD BE a private thing, but these people DO NOT lead "private" lives.
Somebody is GOING to bug the father about his lesbian daughter.
Better for him to be the one that puts it out there as information than some sleeze ball reporter trying to score ratings with allegations...

By having children heterosexuals make a public statement about their sexuality and we don't question it's appropriateness. By mentioning a wife or husband and having pictures on their desk, heterosexuals are making a public statement about their sexuality. Sure, it's a private issue, but it isn't simply homosexuals who are making it public. Hell, it's required information for the national census. It's a bit hypocritical to ponder the homosexuals publicity when heterosexual publicity is mandated by law.

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I just don't get it.
Why is this "news"?
I thought a persons sexual identity was supposed to be moot.
Well perhaps we should just MOOT all this crap in the media about it.
Are they attempting to denigrate her? Her parents? Her partners? Maybe they are trying to glorify her. Either way it ain't NEWS.

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Cheney's daughter wanting to be a mother shouldn't have been news either.
As long as people who are against gays want their condemnation of women like Cheney's daughter in the news, articles like THIS will be in the news.

It's just that simple.
Cause and effect, with this article being an EFFECT.