Alright hold on and calm down. I don't doubt your statistics.

Let me try to make myself a bit more clear. I am a single custodial father and many people consider that 'remarkable' or of special consideration or high honor. I do not, simply because just doing the right, loving thing by my daughter was never something in doubt.

I guess what I'm trying to say is that I don't find not doing an immoral, unthinkable thing something to throw a massive party over. That's why I said that for me there's little remarkable about not disowning your homosexual child. It's simply the right thing to do, so in that sense I don't find it remarkable.

I don't doubt that. I also think fate is kicking them in the nuts by forcing them to confront their biggoted ways.

A good example. Earlier in life I would have also chosen the crappy car rather than making my way on foot for a while. Now, I realize that relationships are replaceable, just like cars. While it's true that I'll never have another mother or father, I do have better relationships with older mentors than I ever had with my father and my relationship with my mother is just fine, thank you. We're not as close as she is to my other siblings but that's primarily because I was the 'baby' of the family and she was much older when I was born.

Alright, just cause you asked me too . Good example. When you see someone doing something shitty and immoral, it makes you thankful for those who don't do shitty and immoral things.

I hear you all and it's no big gap between our mindsets. There's never any harm in congratulating someone on having done the right thing. Well, let me take that back. I believe the Kerry/Edwards campaign attempted to criticize Vice President Cheney by juxtaposing his continued love for his openly gay daughter with the Republican platform ... so yeah, you can intend ill things for someone you mockingly praise.

I assume everyone here would give the same kind of kudos to Dick and Lynne Cheney as they bestow on this governor. I would be right, wouldn't I?

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If you say so. I think it was backhanded slap in the face. It was just a 'hey, you're great ... so how come you don't force others to believe exactly the way you believe?' kind of comment.

Kerry using Dick Cheney's daughter as an example of whether or not homosexuality is a choice or not was just dirty politics too.

Would you have approved of Barack Obama bringing up Bill Clinton's affairs in his campaign against Hillary?

So I take it that was a yes (with more words devoted to being critical, of course...)

I think they're certainly as if not more praiseworthy of supporting their daughter as this governor is because they had to put up with personal attacks from political opponents in the process... The ones who threw Mary Cheney under a bus in this case were Kerry and Edwards.

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Well first provide a link which explains exactly what the stat is. Second even if we assume that to be true what percentage of total teens would that be .0001%?

There you go again, whining about style instead of debating the issue.

You>> If you "take it for granted", it's because you don't know what really goes on for a lot of gays and their parents...

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If you take for granted otherwise then you apparently don't know as many as I do or what really goes on.


Let's break it down.

"If you take for granted otherwise.......then you apparently don't know as many as I do.....................or what really goes on"

Seems clear to me.

As I have repeatedly stated I have no interest in weeding through post concerned more with whining about style than debating the issue.

Facts about suicide

This article leads one to believe that 33% of teen suicides are homosexual victims. I just thought it was interesting and should underscore what we are talking about. If gays are only 5% of the population but represent 33% of the suicide rate, then there is certainly an issue going on.

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Correlation does not equal causation. Even if it did that's a different thread, don't you think? I simply wanted to say that loving one's child regardless of their sexual orientation isn't so rare, in fact it's commonplace and it SHOULD be considered the accepted norm even if there is a large minority that may feel otherwise. THEY're on the decline, and for that I'm grateful.

If the debate is going to be about how many homosexual teens are suicidal, then this should go in a different thread. I think THAT issue (parental acceptance, or more specifically to this thread, parental endorsement/abandonement) is only just a portion of the issue in regard to teen homosexual suicides.

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Considering I am the originator of this thread, I think it's perfectly on the topic I wished to address. So...

In addition, common sense would dictate that there are parents out there would would abandon their child if they were discovered to be gay. The number is significant enough because of the number of homeless gay teens living on the streets and the number who commit suicide. I'm not saying that the parents are all to blame, but they are responsible. While I agree that the parenting done by the Governor is how he should parent, there are significant enough numbers of parents who don't. That cannot be denied and to do so is an insult to your common sense.

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Alright, you run with that. There are plenty of parents who don't accept the sexual orientation of their child. I'll agree but then again I'm not in the business of changing people's social views.

I'm a different cat. I don't accept sexual activity from my teen. I wouldn't throw her out over it, but she knows how much it would strain our relationship. That said, I wouldn't blame a parent for throwing out a promiscuous teen ... which leads me to the next question: are gay teens tossed out only because they're gay? Generally, I would venture to say that's just one of the issues going on, but I don't have time to do the research right now.

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This article states

"Data concerning young homosexuals is somewhat unreliable. It appears that about one in three teen aged suicides is by a gay or lesbian. Since homosexuals represent only about 5% of the population, gays and lesbians are greatly over-represented."

How do you know that the mental instability of the teens didn't bring about the homosexual behavior? And not all kids who commit suicide have been rejected by parents.

So what does it have to do with the OP anyway?