I don't really bother to think about it unless it is in the news. I hear some say this and others say that. I am not part of the debate really. Like I said I have had several run in with people who have made the choice to be of that sexual nature. The two females (at different times in my life) told me the little we spoke about it they decided to be with other women! My step sons father was a meth head and any sex seemed good to him. Even his son! But that is his CHOICE and I only blame him for it. But have prayed he be forgiven.
Free Will Of Choice is what I believe in, period. The only judge I fear and love is Jesus.
And I try hard to not judge others unless I see they are doing wrong or evil.

So you or the many others that are like you don't fit in that perception I use.

I also have an on line friend from another forum who is black and gay and proud of it. Both Bourne and AD (AmericanDreamer know him too) Now Bourne gets more bite from him than I. But he has never had one word to say to me about his choice or stand on gay issues. And we go back about 3 + years on about 4 forums. Yet we do dis-agree on many other issues.

Please keep in mind for future references that I don't judge others choices unless it is very harmful to others. I belong to only one faith and follow the Way Jesus set. He never created the many different denominations of the Christian faiths nor do I follow any of them.
And I don't hate humans I think each has values if they decide to use them for the good of self or others.

And majority rule will never please all the people all the time. Nor will any other choice we as a Nation try to take. And I never said it was right all the time. Heck to think it would make everyone happy all the time is folly!
And you can't offer any better solution to majority rule, no one can! That will please all in every situation.
lastly: Your battle is with those that oppose this issue not with me! Good Luck

It is funny... I always thought that the people who fight for our country did so for our freedom. They did so to uphold the idea of a free society, with rights and privileges. My grandfather fought for the rights of our citizenry... he did not always agree with things that went on, but he was happy that people had the freedom to do things.

I find it hard to believe that being gay is a choice... since I am straight I don't think I could choose to be attracted to another man.

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And that is your opinion. Is there any prooof of a gay gean? I use a simple phrase I have used all my life and I still get some. Aw good night!

Ok, well, when did you choose to be straight?

because there is no proof of a "straight gene" either...

was it a tough choice for you?

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The idea of a gay gene bothers me. If it can be pinned down that being gay is an anomaly of genetics, then it only stands to reason that it can be "treated" with a gene therapy. Something doesn't sit right with me about that. I would much rather pursue the right of personal choice.

Lost the whole post. So I will say that there wasn't any choice on my part. I just always got alone with females. All sizes, shapes and found each a beauty in their own way. I had more best friends with girls than males, I had more fun with girls except sports. And once I stopped fearing it would drop off if I enjoyed more from a female I loved them even more so!

I was raised when schools and parents made us inter relate. But that has changed a lot in the last 2+ generations. I seen it in my home with my step children, and others homes. Where the males and females fought all the time.
If one can't get along with their mother or sister or the other way around.
How will they treat the other sex when dating. My step daughter found out in her first marriage.
And I consider myself a male period. Nothing to do with being straight or gay.
I'm a male, a man. Nothing more or less.
And I try not to judge anyone unless the cause harm to others. And how any person decides to live their life is up to them not me or any one else.

I just posted a news release to answer another members question. And for that I have to defend myself?

From what ou have shown me it seems your the hydrant every day. So besides being wet you have a chip on your shoulder.

Well, that's oversimplifying if'n I ever saw it.

The legislature, not five judges freed the slaves. The legislature, not five judges gave women the right to vote. The legislature, not five judges passed the Civil Rights Act in the 60's.

If you want lasting, stable change it must be the will of the people. You can't force opinions to change by banging a gavel.

I don't support gay marriage because I don't support legal marriage whatsoever (it unfairly discriminates against single people) but if it's going to come to fruition it ought to be done through legislation and not a court ruling.

Court rulings are flimsy and not necessarily permanent.

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That's rather myopic.
It was the courts, not the legislature, which gave Rosa Parks the seat on the bus where she chose.
It was the courts, not the legislature, which integrated the schools.
It was the courts, not the legislaturel, which declare laws against interracial marriage are unconstitutional.
It was the courts which brought about the end to "Jim Crow" laws.

While I have no doubt that legislature plays a role, it is not at the exclusion of a role for the courts.
The courts have a role too, and their action is rather significant and necessary.


IMO, This is NOT about "forcing opinions".
Take interracial marriage as an example. In 1967, when SCOTUS declared interracial marriage laws are unconstitutional, there was a THREE to one opinion against interracial marriage.

Should the courts have waited until the "will of the people" was accepting enough of interracial marriage? Because if so, that would have been about another twenty years.

If our idea of "equal rights" hinges on the "will of the people" to accept the recognition, then we have NO protection of equal rights.


"discriminates against single people"?
That's like saying the voting booth "discriminates" against those people who are apathetic so that they don't get off their rump and go to vote.
Or "gun ownership" discriminates against those who decide not to buy a gun.

But to how it should come to fruition, it doesn't recognize the fact that there is too much history where such an approach would have left civil rights stagnant, waiting on the whim of the masses to get around to recognizing "yeah. Equal rights in this scenario would be acceptable too."


I have no idea what you base this claim on.
I mean, I acknowledge that they may "not necessarily" be permanent.
But the truth is that the vast majority of civil rights rulings WERE permanent.

Ask yourself this question,if being "straight" is a choice,do you remember the day you made that choice? If that's too tough a question,do you remember the "decade" you made the choice? My sexuality was not a choice,I am straight and it came naturally to me. I really don't remember having to "contemplate" my sexual preference. Why is it then that gays made a "choice"? Is it "possible" that they also can't remember making a choice?

I was automatically attracted to women,there was never a choice in the matter.I remember my teacher moving my desk in the first grade because I kept trying to kiss the little girl who sat next to me. We had a thing going on even at that age!

If you "remember" making a "choice" in your sexual preference,I salute you.Most of us honestly can't remember making that choice.

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