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As with so many other problems, the states and communities have stepped up to the plate and enacted or enforced the law to address their particular area's problems.
And it appears to be working.
Since you mentioned that you might "look" Mexican, I certainly hope you don't run into any of these people who take matters into their own hands when you have a bad case of laringitis,
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Talking to a guy from Missouri yesterday, and he said they'd passed a law to fine landlords who knowingly rent to illegals. Here's an excerpt of a response to those kinds of efforts:

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As a person who is married to a Legal Permanent Resident, who just applied for her Citizenship, I strongly applaud the Governors efforts to NOT make Missouri a "sanctuary state" for illegals. I have seen hundreds of houses roofed by Mexicans that cannot understand a word of English and the legitimate roofing contractors standing by and watching them soak the welfare system while sending their collective billions of dollars each month across the border, to help Mexico's economy. Wire services are loving it. Illegal Aliens (or to be “Liberally Correct”: “Undocumented Immigrants”)contribute NOTHING to our economy, the social welfare of the citizens, the Social Security System or the security of our State or Country...For God’s Sake...why do we need them in Missouri? Over a million jobs have been lost to NAFTA, alone, and many more to illegals. If you harbor them, you have a criminal court system full of them, the prisons full of them and the women, and illegitimate children they produce, all, sucking the life out of the Medicaid system that some legal folks need, to survive.
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And today there was an injunction filed to block it:

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Talking to a guy from Missouri yesterday, and he said they'd passed a law to fine landlords who knowingly rent to illegals. Here's an excerpt of a response to those kinds of efforts:

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And today there was an injunction filed to block it:

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Well, it is agreed by economists that (healthcare, money transfers, and all) illegals are a net benefit to the country to the tune of roughly $90 billion dollars, but that is not the point. I don't think this fellow would take kindly to his wife being targeted, beaten, punched or assaulted because she "looks illegal". I have American children who happen to be Hispanic, and I don't believe they should have to be discriminated against because of the way they look, or because someone might look at them and say those must be the "illegitimate spawn" of some illegal. Hey, if this fellow's wife has the predominant genes, maybe his kid can be called "illegitimate spawn". I'll start tatooing my kids' forehead with the words "I am fifth generation American" to make sure that when my son is a teenager he doesn't get sodomized with a pipe for trying to kiss a white girl. It's disgusting, and it makes me feel ashamed of my countrymen,

I don't hear anyone complaining about all the labor outsourced to India - you know, those tech and customer service jobs that were occupied by middle class working Americans. And we don't see a dime of that money, because those people don't pay taxes.

Again, I don't have a problem with tightening the borders, nor with deporting all illegals if that's what it takes, but this way you are persecuting an entire race. But of course if you happen to be white, why should that bother you? "It's all right, cause it's all white!!!" (Chris Rock)
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Since you mentioned that you might "look" Mexican, I certainly hope you don't run into any of these people who take matters into their own hands when you have a bad case of laringitis,
It happened in Texas that has historically never gone along with any mandated reduction of immigration. They love their Mexicans down there if they know their place.
I was also mistaken for an Indian ( ) in Oklahoma, but that was many years ago. Had people say anti semitic things within ear shot. Maybe I just have an international look?
I like to call it Mediterranean mutt.
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Well, it is agreed by economists that (healthcare, money transfers, and all) illegals are a net benefit to the country to the tune of roughly $90 billion dollars, but that is not the point.
Nor is it correct. Whose economy are they talking about? The same one they're saying is not in recession yet? They are not speaking for my economy which has been affected by cheaper and cheaper labor in more and more sectors of society.
I don't think this fellow would take kindly to his wife being targeted, beaten, punched or assaulted because she "looks illegal". I have American children who happen to be Hispanic, and I don't believe they should have to be discriminated against because of the way they look, or because someone might look at them and say those must be the "illegitimate spawn" of some illegal. Hey, if this fellow's wife has the predominant genes, maybe his kid can be called "illegitimate spawn". I'll start tatooing my kids' forehead with the words "I am fifth generation American" to make sure that when my son is a teenager he doesn't get sodomized with a pipe for trying to kiss a white girl. It's disgusting, and it makes me feel ashamed of my countrymen,

In the inner city is where you mostly find low intelligence and dog eat dog mentality. There have always been and unfortunately continue to be racially motivated crimes. But some of the scenarios quoted in that article are from 200. If the discrimination is at a fever pitch since just recently, how do you account for that?

I don't hear anyone complaining about all the labor outsourced to India
Because that battle has already been lost. Matter of fact a lot of people involved in their own situation at the time probably didn't even know their job was sold for seven pieces of silver to an outsourcing service. It is the fact that Americans have been pushed out of the job market by so many "others" that made us finally say enough is enough.
- you know, those tech and customer service jobs that were occupied by middle class working Americans. And we don't see a dime of that money, because those people don't pay taxes.

Again, I don't have a problem with tightening the borders, nor with deporting all illegals if that's what it takes, but this way you are persecuting an entire race. But of course if you happen to be white, why should that bother you? "It's all right, cause it's all white!!!" (Chris Rock)
No one on this forum has been persecuting anyone racially. And I honestly do not believe that the citizenry of Prince William or their representatives in the judicial or enforcement branches of government are racially prejudiced in their demand that only legal citizens and visitors are eligible for services. Nor is it prejudiced to require the enforcement of law concerning criminals.
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No one on this forum has been persecuting anyone racially. And I honestly do not believe that the citizenry of Prince William or their representatives in the judicial or enforcement branches of government are racially prejudiced in their demand that only legal citizens and visitors are eligible for services. Nor is it prejudiced to require the enforcement of law concerning criminals.
No Problem Saltwn, I give up, you win, The counties and districts are in all their right to pass these laws, and we should just get it done one city at a time - instead of pushing for federal sweeping reform. In the interim, I will keep my family away from "low intelligence" people with "dog eat dog mentality", and hope noone confuses them with the "illegitimate spawn" of an illegal (how would they know, if they don't know me?). You don't worry about it, it's my problem, no yours.

Racial discrimination is defined as "unjustified, negative or harmful conduct, verbal or physical, that is directed at an individual because of one's race, color, national origin, or ethnicity" (Arson, Wilson, & Akert, 1999).

And the 35% increase in hate crimes against Latinos came from the FBI yearly statistical report. Now, you can try to block the sun with your thumb... no, actually you CAN block the sun with your thumb, because this does not affect YOU.
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Nor is it prejudiced to require the enforcement of law concerning criminals.
I wonder when they're gonna crack down on those 12m+ surveyed who admitted to smoking weed on a regular basis?? Last I recall, cannabis is still illegal, so that would make them all criminals (!!!!) Maybe I'll start beating the crap out of some kid because his "white trash mother/father is probably a weed smoking loser" - I'd like to see that headline, .

"But it's all right, cause it's all white!!!"

Hey, you were the one who quoted the ranting bigot, not me.
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You know something, dga? I just moved from a town where I lived off and on for 13 years that is about half Mexican and half Mormon. With the exception of a few from Guatemala and some ex-Mormons. A small but thriving Basque population mostly in the countryside. One Japanese family who homesteaded after WWII. And me. My family is in trucking. And a very few older ones who moved there when they were in the service. But for the most part the town has been called M&M for a long time.
I attended church there and meetings of various organizations. I shopped there for groceries and got the police to watch my house while we were on the road. So I have had a lot of interaction among my neighbors. All 1700 of them.
And I cannot remember ever hearing of a hate crime there. There is crime like anywhere else. Vandalism, B&E, domestic abuse, etcetera. And I'd say half or more of the cops are of Hispanic decent. We all know where everybody came from.
The Mormons came over on a wagon train from Missouri. The Japanese family's matriarch and patriarch settled there straight from a concentration camp. The Basques grew into the area from South America where they had migrated from the Pyrenees. The Mexicans and Guatemalans were brought in by bus by the farmers.
But the farmers keep bringing new immigrants in. It is suspected some are illegal. No one hates these people. I used to teach English as a second language to adults who have a hard time with the language. And I do not speak very much Spanish. But my students learned quicker because they couldn't rely on my interpretation, but had to grasp "thinking in English". I did not ask them if they had a green card or brown card. Many older people have a hard time learning a new language who are on renewed visas and rely on their grandchildren to interpret for them.
But the main factory in town moved to Canada due to NAFTA. A small manufacturer has finally moved in. But he only employs about 5 people and what he produces is a luxury type of item.
All the people of that town need every job available. They all (the old timers) have picked fruit and worked the potato fields at one time or another and would not take it as an insult if their kids could find such employment.
But the farmers keep busing in more and more immigrants.
The congress tried to pass a federal law, but the people rejected it out of fear we were being lied to again. Amnesty and welcome our new citizens with open arms and then what?
More illegals.
Why do you think people shouldn't enforce existing laws to protect our existing citizenry?
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I wonder when they're gonna crack down on those 12m+ surveyed who admitted to smoking weed on a regular basis?? Last I recall, cannabis is still illegal, so that would make them all criminals (!!!!)
Yes, and the difference is that taxes in America are meant to pay for American criminals. Programs to get people into rehab and drug management groups are meant for American drug users. There is no comparison here; these are two completely separate issues that are mutually exclusive. Until you consider the fact that most of our drugs cross the unsecured borders with illegals. So still, the trail leads back to the fact that we secure the border and enforce the immigration laws to solve other problems in our country.

This isn't about race. It is about an invasion that puts a strain on our economy, law enforcement, and social programs. It is convenient to make this about race because no one wants to even touch that subject, so the issue gets left for another day. However, I feel the same way about this that I do about racial profiling on airlines: it wasn't a little blue haired old lady that hijacked a plane and it ain't a wealthy white Brit that's trying to illegally cross our borders. Forgive me; I'm a realist as well as a loyalist.
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Yes, and the difference is that taxes in America are meant to pay for American criminals. Programs to get people into rehab and drug management groups are meant for American drug users. There is no comparison here; these are two completely separate issues that are mutually exclusive. Until you consider the fact that most of our drugs cross the unsecured borders with illegals. So still, the trail leads back to the fact that we secure the border and enforce the immigration laws to solve other problems in our country.

This isn't about race. It is about an invasion that puts a strain on our economy, law enforcement, and social programs. It is convenient to make this about race because no one wants to even touch that subject, so the issue gets left for another day. However, I feel the same way about this that I do about racial profiling on airlines: it wasn't a little blue haired old lady that hijacked a plane and it ain't a wealthy white Brit that's trying to illegally cross our borders. Forgive me; I'm a realist as well as a loyalist.

And when did I say the contrary? I am saying PLEASE secure the borders, PLEASE fix the problem, PLEASE enforce the laws. I am not accusing anyone here of being a racist (I don't know any of you personally), I am simply stating that local laws (as opposed to federal legislation) don't fix the problem, they pass the buck, and promote racism and bigotry. Is it in you specifically? Only you can know that. But it is a problem. Not for the "white majority", but it is for the 35m+ legal Hispanic immigrants that live in this country (most of whom happen to also be American). Every one of my posts have been to highlight how local legislation promotes racism and bigotry.

The comparison of the weed smokers is just to highlight an anlogy of what it might feel like to have the shoe on the other foot. Certainly I do not assume to equate the legal standing of an illegal immigrant with that of an American, that would be absurd.

So... federal legislation continues to get rejected for fear of the government not doing their job, securing the border and keeping even more illegals out. Local legislation gets passed, pushing illegals into other towns, which makes that town and probably every other nearby hostile towards ALL Hispanics (even though they probably have Russian illegals noone is looking at). And that makes it about race.

In any case, "lo que sera, sera", and all the debating in the world won't change that. I'm sorry if you took personal offense, but "whites" are blissfully unaware of what it feels like to be discriminated against. I have seen it, I have felt it, and I have felt it through my family. And I cannot applaud local legislation that makes anyone look at my children sideways. Period.
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