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Old 03-10-2008, 01:47 PM
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Deerfield High School is again under fire by a North Shore Christian group because the school offers the Pulitzer Prize-winning drama "Angels in America: A Gay Fantasia on National Themes" to college-bound seniors.

North Shore Student Advocacy called for School District 113 Superintendent George Fornero, Deerfield High School Principal Sue Hobson and all involved teachers to resign or be fired by the School Board.

The group claimed a victory when, after its complaints, the school district made "Angels" an "opt in" book rather than required reading in the Advanced Placement English literature course. Parents and students have to opt in to read that book as well as "The Plague."

Last year, "Angels in America" author Tony Kushner talked to the class about the play, how he wrote it and produced it.

The story is about two couples whose relationships are disintegrating. It is set in the United States in the 1980s against a backdrop of greed, conservatism, sexual politics and the discovery of AIDS.

Matt Barber, director of cultural issues with Concerned Women for America, said his jaw dropped when he read the book.

"This isn't a First Amendment issue. This is about school officials betraying the community trust. Heads need to roll here. Assigning this racist, pornographic smut to high school kids is nothing short of child abuse," Barber said.

Lora Sue Hauser, executive director of NSSA, complained that the book is replete with profanity, overt racism, an explicit description of a sex act involving Mother Teresa and vivid depictions of sodomy.

"After almost 15 years of school advocacy and reviewing many objectionable books and curricula, I have never seen anything this vulgar and harmful to students," Hauser said.

She said NSSA also talked to the Lake County state's attorney's office and claimed that office concurred that the play violated the state's obscenity statute prohibiting adults from "distributing harmful material to minors."
Of course, they'll be defenses, but this one's clearly over the top...

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Hauser cites numerous examples of offensive passages from the text, including the following:

Man: What do you want?
Louis: I want you to f*** me, hurt me, make me bleed.
Man: I want to.
Louis: Yeah?
Man: I want to hurt you.
Louis: F*** me.
Man: Yeah.
Louis: Hard?
Man: Yeah. You been a bad boy?

(They begin to f***.)

(Louis slips his hand down the front of Joe's pants. They embrace more tightly. Louis pulls his hand out, smells and tastes his fingers, and then holds them for Joe to smell ... they kiss again.)
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Man: I think it broke. The rubber. You want me to keep going? (Little pause) Pull out? Should I --
Louis: Keep going. Infect me. I don't care. I don't care.
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Of course, they'll be defenses, but this one's clearly over the top...

This is a fun one...

I find it absurd that such a book won a Pulitzer prize in the first place. To me, that is pornographic. Of course, you have to take in to account that I feel the same way about 50 or 60% of the mainline adult fiction on the best seller list.
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I find it absurd that such a book won a Pulitzer prize in the first place. To me, that is pornographic. Of course, you have to take in to account that I feel the same way about 50 or 60% of the mainline adult fiction on the best seller list.
It's crap like this that makes me want to say "F#$@ing Berkely".
(Just my stereo-typing reaction to that type of stuff...)

Some people can't seem to wrap their heads around an ideal that "provocative" is not a never-ending justification unto itself.
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Jesus, Mary, and Joseph and all the saints preserve us.
What is going to happen to our children's children? There is no more taboo.
Open the out-house and let's all drown in our own filth!
I think the people who suggested this as literature for teens in public school should be prosecuted. Wrong is wrong.
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You know -- there is always somebody pushing the envelope, isn't there? They do it to make some sort of point, and they inch things a little further in one direction and they push and they push until they hardly recognize why they are pushing any more.

The problem with such pushing of the envelope is that eventually there will be a push back, and that particular push can be swift and dangerous. One of the engines that fueled the Nazi rise to power was their ability to appeal to people's sense of sexual morality, as they decried the "decadent art" so prevelent during the Weimar era, and so the pendulum can shift back with such ferocity that those who constantly pushed the envelope in the first place end up far worse off then they could possibly imagine.

I think the folks who pushed to have this porn included in the required reading probably think they are being very hip and very much in the vanguard for such things, but when it gets down to it, I wonder if they have any actual reason for doing so OTHER than to push the envelope? If they would stop to think for a second, they might realize that they are just inviting a reaction and I think it irresponsible to not consider the nature of such reaction.
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Has anyone else noticed that despite the wide range of sociological and political philosophies represented on this board not one person has come forward in defense of this book being assigned to high school kids?
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Has anyone else noticed that despite the wide range of sociological and political philosophies represented on this board not one person has come forward in defense of this book being assigned to high school kids?
What's to defend? As a parent, I don't think that book is appropriate for children in high school or lower grades...College sure. But not below college level.

And it isn't that the material is 'gay' in content...I'd find it unsuitable if it was explicite/vulgar hetrosexual content as well.

I don't have a problem with school children learning sex ed or social education...But what I've read on the little bit of that play is straight out porn, not sex ed or even social education.
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What's to defend? As a parent, I don't think that book is appropriate for children in high school or lower grades...College sure. But not below college level.

And it isn't that the material is 'gay' in content...I'd find it unsuitable if it was explicite/vulgar hetrosexual content as well.

I don't have a problem with school children learning sex edor social education...But what I've read on the little bit of that play is straight out porn, not sex ed or even social education.
My point exactly. I looked up the book and read the summary. It actually sounded like it had some merit as social commentary but not enough to excuse the vulgarity. What the hell were these school administrators thinking?
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My point exactly. I looked up the book and read the summary. It actually sounded like it had some merit as social commentary but not enough to excuse the vulgarity. What the hell were these school administrators thinking?
I don't have a clue what they were thinking, but they need a good knock upside the head. That's for sure.

Our children should be learning to not only appreciate their bodies, but to respect thier bodies and the bodies of others. And that's not what a child would learn from that play. They'd only learn the 'gritty, down and dirty' physical aspect of sex. Not the emotional portion, let alone 'spiritual' aspect of what a good loving relationship between consenting adults is...Hetrosexual or homosexual bonding that affects couples in sexual relationships.

If anything, that play would do more harm then good, on young impressionable minds. Not only on a sexual level, but on a social level as well because that's all a young mind would see those of that orientation doing. Not the actual emotional and caring bonds that are created in normal relationships of homosexuals...

In otherwords, it makes homosexuality look 'nasty'...When it's anything but that, because the norm of homosexual relationships aren't represented in that particular story, but the abnormal relationships. A more mature mind can grasp that (unless you're talking a homophobe), but a less mature mind wouldn't see beyond that 'graphic, dirty' impression the play gives.
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