I am searching right now, but Sally Kern, the maker of this hate mongering video, has a gay son.. Jesse... I wonder what he thinks about her comments?

When I find the link, I will post it.....

She also is saying now she hasn't gotten death threats..

Tulsa World: OSBI reading Kern e-mails

BGay.com News - Sally Kern Has a Gay Son?

Then again.. she could just disown him... What a great mother figure.

She also disowned her son 'cuz he is gay.......

Sounds like a nasty bitch to me.

Maybe she's just disappointed. I can understand how a mother might be devastated to learn that her child was gay. Why would a heterosexual couple want to have anything other than another heterosexual child? That would be like a white couple trying to have an Asian child. A gay son means no daughter-in law and less chance of related grandchildren. Yeah, she's pissed.

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THIS "disappointment" is based in prejudice and ignorance.
That fact cannot be ignored, based on her idiotic comments that gays are somehow worse than terrorists.
Comments which I boringly find those who speak out against gays ignoring. No commentary on the rational / irrational evaluation of those statements.

But regardless, if the child is born female and straight, guess that means "no daughter-in-law".
Maybe that's why Chinese couples want the boy? Cause they are so fascinated by the idea of a daughter-in-law?
< end sarcasm >

And as for the "less chance of related grandchildren", the only way that comes into play is that a gay guy won't "accidentally" knock up his partner.
A gay guy who is PLANNING a child has just as much "chance" of having a kid as a straight guy who is PLANNING a child.

And I would hope that parents aren't out there hoping that their kid "accidentally" knocks up a woman.
Both for the son and daughter angle of the issue...

I know I've never seen a disappointed person make silly statements. Especially not a woman devastated that her son turned out gay.[/S]

I didn't know we were talking about Chinese people. The reasons for wanting a boy in China are totally different that the realization that the boy isn't quite the "boy" you were expecting.

But a gay guy in a monogamous gay relationship has a 100% chance of not having a child. And no amount of verbal gymnastics can cover that up. And for many parents, that's devastating. Devastating enough to kick your own blood out onto the street and make crazy claims about gays being worse than terrorists.

I don't know about accidentally knocking anyone up, but I do know there are MANY parents out there that would be heartbroken to find out that their child is gay. And we'd find out just how many if a pre-natal test is devised to test for "gay". I wonder how many "pro-lifers" would all of a sudden exercise their "choice" to abort?

Suzie Hayman: Agony Aunt Blog Archive My son is gay!
Facing up to the fact you have a gay child is a process that can be difficult and painful. It feels like mourning; you have to face up to the assumptions you made about them and their future and your part in their future may no longer be possible. Most parents imagine/accept/expect to have grandchildren at some time and to have their sons or daughters bring home partners they will relate to and enjoy a lifestyle they can understand.

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Quite frankly, considering your prejudicial stance, what you think is "not silly" is often proven absolutely absurd.


It's an ANALOGY.


Actually, the point (which you predictably failed to reply to) is that a girl child in China will also typically not see a "daughter-in-law".
But you fail to acknowledge the lack of significance of a "daughter-in-law".


Again, just plain false.
(speaking of silly statements from you...)
Ever heard of IVF?


1) Speaking of proving your prejudice...
2) Then why is it that when a STRAIGHT couple decides not to have kids, you NEVER hear of anything similar?
It has nothing to do with "not having grand-kids".
There are literally MILLIONS of kids being raised by gays out there today.


Funny how you can't see the comparison for "china" and no "daughters-in-law", but you SUDDENLY bring up "abortion".
Which is hilarious, because it just points to the DEPTHS OF PREJUDICE for some on the anti-gay side that they might consider such a thing.


I swear.
It is SO easy to trounce you at times.
You often do most of the work, as often YOUR OWN WEB-SITES are used against you.

How about we continue what is said LATER in that article, to demonstrate how irrational the complaint is...

But your doctors expectation is way out of line – out of date, antediluvian even. In fact, first option I might suggest is finding a GP living in the 20th let alone 21st century! For a start, you don’t choose to be gay. It’s not a ‘lifestyle’ and it’s not a choice. The evidence suggests what makes you gay is a complex mix of genetics – but no one gay gene – and multifactorial environmental issues.

But far more important than that is the fact that being gay simply isn’t that much of a deal anymore. Oh yes, maybe in your GPs day male gay sexual acts were illegal so being gay was fraught. If found out you could be hounded to death and homophobia was a real and frightening aspect of daily living. “Gay” is now a casual term of opprobrium in schools and many young people can be hideous about it. But times have changed so much. Laws against all discrimination mean workplace and higher education discrimination is rare and to be frank, it can be cool to be gay. As you say, he has four best friends who are fine about it and I bet it’s not an issue in his school and won’t be at uni or in work. So this “it’s going to be a hard path” is nonsense.

And changes in society also mean the two big losses that parents of gay people faced may no longer be out of reach – a wedding and a family. Most mums particularly mourn the idea of never watching their son or daughter plight their troth in an extravagant celebration where you get to wear the Mother of the bride or groom gear. Well – update! Now, you can. And that moment when you holds your son or daughter’s baby – also, update! Now, you can and not an adopted child, a child of their blood. Let’s face it, your straight son or daughter may not keep to the script either but the point is that whatever the sexual orientation of your child, you now have equal chance of having those fantasies fulfilled.

People (like the ones you want to focus on) are dealing in prejudice and ignorance.
(No surprise you join them in company)

The complaints you raise are really trivial and irrelevant. Typically, just plain non-existent.
No "daughter-in-law"? It would have been the same if they had a straight daughter. Instead of "daughter-in-law", they could just get a "son-in-law" instead.
And the tired old "can't have kids" rant is just plain ignorant. Gays CAN and DO have kids.
Anybody who hasn't gotten that memo is just plain 'tupid.

Judging from experience, fxashun is simply going to dance around the real arguments, continue to repeat his disproven ideas (ad nausieum), and milk as much distance out of this lame attempt as possible.

Ergo, I figured I would summarize a couple of points that I predict will go unaddressed, but posting them here will provide me quick and concise reference when he ignores them in the future. (i.e. This argument is already addressed, post #___, point #___.)

1) Gays can and do have kids.
They can and do have kids that are related to them.
They can and do have kids, even if they are in a monogamous relationship (IVF).
The pretense that anybody would reject a gay son/daughter based on lack of having kids is based in ignorance.

2) Kids are typically NOT ostracized just because they won't provide grand-children.
Have you ever heard a mother kick the kid out of the house because the kid wants to be a catholic priest?
Have you ever heard a mother kick the kid out of the house because the kid wants to be celibate?
Have you ever heard a mother take any similar extreme action just because he gets "fixed", or explicitly states "I am not having any kids"?
There is just NO COMPARISON for any other group of "sons/daughters" who do not provide grand-kids.

This whole pretense that the "gay" kids are being castigated JUST BECAUSE of a lack of children is ignorant based on both #1 above, and #2.
Obviously, such an extreme act of bigotry is based on a LOT more than just "won't have kids"...

Kern's son has come out declaring himself CELIBATE and not gay.
Based on the claims of some people (cough, fxashun, cough), the mother should soon come out and declare that celibacy is worse than terrorism.

(If the issue is TRULY about a mother's irrational anger over not having grand-kids...)

Jesse Kern, son of Rep. Sally Kern, R-Oklahoma City, said information purporting that he is gay, which has appeared on several blogs, is damaging to himself and his family.

Kern, 31, said he feels the media has a responsibility to seek out the truth, then report it.

Kern, who said he is affiliated with the Des Moines School of Metaphysics, said that he chooses to be celibate, but he is not homosexual.

"First of all, no one's sexuality is anyone's business. It is not even my mother's business," he said. "I practice celibacy to give to my God," he said.

Tulsa World: Sally Kern's son denies reports he is gay

Celibacy worse than terrorism?

Hmm. Bush is all about fighting terrorists, and deals in abstinence-only sex education.

As best as I can tell, this would make Bush worse than the terrorists... by his own measure.