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That doesn't mean that there isn't an expectation of privacy.

If they lose, it could mean, with no expectation of privacy, they may not be able to keep men out of women's rooms.

Of course, there is an expectation of privacy.
Yeah, I assume there is an expectation of privacy, sure. However, in the Craig case especially, that expectation was eclipsed by the fact that he was making communications between stalls.

Now I guess you can expect privacy in the stall to have sex if

1) You are a disgusting animal with no control over your base desires.
2) You can perform the activity with enough discretion that you give no indication to others what you are doing.
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I would like there to be a positive ruling on expectation of privacy in public restrooms for another reason. Some rest area restrooms are now being built without doors. (There is a brand new one in Louisiana) and with sort of half doors. The people who work maintaining them claim their state builds them this way because of drug addicts shooting up. I told one worker, "If the drug addicts don't mind the sounds coming from my stall, I don't care what they do either!"
And that's just the way I feel about it. There is not enough privacy anywhere anymore especially for travelers.
Also as mentioned about keeping the opposite sex out of your restroom, I have seen couples arguing and one or the other went into a restroom to escape. That ladies or mens room sign was the only thing that kept the opposite party from following. If the ruling is against a reasonable expectation of privacy, then a guy can come into the ladies' restroom and visa versa.
I already have to put up with mothers bringing their 7yr old sons into the ladies rooms!
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Yeah, I assume there is an expectation of privacy, sure.
That's all I'm saying - and all t he ACLU is arguing.
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That's all I'm saying - and all t he ACLU is arguing.
But that's not all they are arguing. They are attempting to expand that reasonable expectation of privacy to acts and behavior that are not acceptable in I guess what you would call "public private areas". I get the gist of their argument; I just find it to be one of their biggest stretches.
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But that's not all they are arguing. They are attempting to expand that reasonable expectation of privacy to acts and behavior that are not acceptable in I guess what you would call "public private areas". I get the gist of their argument; I just find it to be one of their biggest stretches.
Privacy and social acceptability don't always go hand in hand. I don't agree with the ACLU on this one, but it is an interesting test case.

Privacy rights of individuals is pretty universal. Privacy rights of couples in their own home has been protected. Privacy rights of couples in semi-private public areas such as bathrooms? I don't think this has ever been tested in the court system. (Not that I am aware of anyway.)
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Evil thought, but as usual I just can't pass on it. This makes me wonder about ACLU lawyer sexuality. Are they adept at the Larry Craig seated tap dance?
Well they aren't a bastion of decency themselves...

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Federal agents arrested Charles Rust-Tierney, the former president of the Virginia chapter of the ACLU, Friday in Arlington for allegedly possessing child pornography.

According to a criminal complaint obtained by ABC News, Rust-Tierney allegedly used his e-mail address and credit card to subscribe to and access a child pornography website.

The complaint states that federal investigations into child pornography websites revealed that "Charles Rust-Tierney has subscribed to multiple child pornography website over a period of years."

As recently as last October, the complaint alleges, "Rust-Tierney purchased access to a group of hardcore commercial child pornography websites."
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Well they aren't a bastion of decency themselves...

Former ACLU Chapter President Arrested for Child Pornography
Since predators exist virtually everywhere, I don't see the point of this post.
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Well they aren't a bastion of decency themselves...

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I wonder since one of the chapter presidents of the ACLU was caught viewing child porn does the ACLU web site creep people out when someone links to it?
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