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Originally Posted by AlicornsPrayer
ROTFLMAOL! Do you hear yourself redd?
They 'wouldn't build a life, buy a house, all of that until the US citizenship was a done deal'?
You have got to be kidding...Or being purposefully clueless.
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If "clueless" is your term for "realistic", then I'm guilty of being "clueless"...
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Originally Posted by AlicornsPrayer
What do you think my husband and I did during that 5 years we were waiting for INS to grant him permenant residency? Said 'hon, you're here but you're really not so don't get comfortable just in case?' Played house with the thoughts that we weren't a family or that it wasn't 'our home'?
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Not at all...Just realize that your "comfort" was at risk...YOU rolled the dice...
If you lived on the HOPE that he was going to get US citizenship ( I don't know if anyone has a 100% chance), then you have to makes arrangements if it doesn't come to fruition...
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Originally Posted by AlicornsPrayer
We were 'building a life, paying for a home, and all of that' before, during, and after the INS were considering approving him. That's what ALL legal immigrants do while awaiting for the decision to be made...Build a life here in the US during the processing time.
In fact, that's exactly what INS EXPECTS those applying to be in this country to do...Build lives to PROVE they are serious about being here and wanting to make a life here. You have to show them that you are making life long roots here...That you are putting into the economy through work, savings, property ownership, etc...You better be building a life here, not just 'passing through' while awaiting INS to finish their investigation.
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Once again...
"Building a life" helps to show you're serious, but "building a life" could also be entraping the INS into giving citizenship when it's not deserved...Then when it gets declined, they can complain that what's done is done...
Kinda like a girl who doesn't want her boyfriend to leave her so she tries to get pregnant with him...Now he's "in too deep" to leave...
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Originally Posted by AlicornsPrayer
In our case, we had to show them joint bank accounts, savings accounts, insurance policies with both of us on them, stocks in both our names, joint property, credit cards, etc...All these things showing that we were 'building a life together', 'buying/building a home together', and 'all of that'.
That's why for those that are doing everything they are supposed to do to be here, lose so much if INS refuses their applications. INS tells them to build lives while they're waiting, then they lose all of that when INS says they have to leave.
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Don't confused "love" and "life"...
What if your husband DIDN'T meet you? (or anyone else?)...There ARE temporary immigrants who have to do those things on their own...
I'm pretty sure you couldn't quote me an INS manual that says "building a life" means "finding a partner"...
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Originally Posted by AlicornsPrayer
I have a cousin who's married to a lady from the UK...For 6 years, they struggled through the paperwork, just for INS to tell her she had to go back to the UK and to re-file. Took another 3 years for her to return here, to her husband and their children...And they're STILL fighting with INS over the paperwork 2 years later, afraid they'll send her back yet again...In the meantime, she has to show proof that she owns nothing in the UK, has no hidden bank accounts over-seas, as well as building a financial portfolio here that includes financial accounts and property in her name as well as her husband's.
My sister-in-law is married to an American. They've been married 17 years, have 2 children that are both duel-national (they're American-Canadian). 4 years ago they had to move from Canada, back to Indiana, to take care of my sister-in-law's father-in-law...A year after being here, INS deported her and my nephew...My nephew who happens to be American AND Canadian...While allowing my niece (who's also American and Canadian) and brother-in-law to remain?
The grounds? INS says they didn't believe that they were 'really truthful about being married since they didn't have communal property here in the US anymore'...After 17 years of being married, of having lived together during that time in both the US and Canada during those 17 years, after having 2 children together during that 17 years, etc...That's because last time they lived in the states, and ended up having to move back to Canada because of his job, they had to sell (at a loss), all the communal property they owned here in the US to have the finances to start again in Canada. And then when they moved back here, they had to sell (again at a loss) all they had in Canada to prove to INS they were serious about being here.
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You asking me to come to a conclusion on the case without hearing the INS's side of things...
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Originally Posted by AlicornsPrayer
Like I said redd, you don't have the first clue about what you're trying to talk about. Cause those applying for residency here better be building a life, buying property, building a financial portfolio, etc. if they want to show INS they are serious about being in this country. In fact, you better have be able to show them proof you're were building a life here prior to applying. And even then, it's still shaky cause INS can take that all away and leave you with nothing when they tell you to leave.
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You can SAY "building a life" all you want...My position STILL stands...
"Building a life" is NOT a guarantee...All should understand that "building a life" may not be enough in the eyes of the INS and everything one does in showing proof of "building a life" could be for naught...Contingency plans should be made if the citizenship does NOT come through...or at least an acknowledgement that it's a possibility...
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Originally Posted by AlicornsPrayer
So, despite your contention otherwise, a responsible person applying for residency here would indeed be building a life, purchasing property, and all of that well before ink ever hit the paper in the first place...Cause INS tells you you have to and to hope the dice roll in your favor.
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Single people can "build a life" just as well...bringing a partner into the program should not be an indicator if someone gets to stay...
In fact, it can (and I'm sure has) been used by immigrants as a TOOL to get the INS to let them in when they may not be sincere..."Building a life" is an excellent front for malicious behavior, and it's up to the INS to figure out if that's the case in each situation...
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