So what you're saying is that your friend of a friend left it up to OTHERS...

It's the lack of responsibility showing it's ugly head again...Blame others, blame others, blame others...

"Same 'ol story; same 'ol song and dance my friends."...

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I'm terribly sorry, but on this one I just don't feel sorry for any of these "heartbroken" people.
But, mind you, I am of the ilk that would separate parents from children and etcetera just to put some "We mean what we say" teeth into immigration policy.
Doesn't matter if their gay or just unbearably purple.
SsssteeeeeeeeeeeeerrrrrrIKE!
Out a here.

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Right... heartless nonsensical law. Go ye forth.

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I take it from your response redd, you don't have a clue how a non-US national goes about staying in our country...

So, to help you and since I have that experience about this subject, I'll be happy to explain it to you...

For a non-US citizen to remain in this country, a US citizen/corporation has to sponser that individual. That includes non-US spouses having to be sponsered by their US spouse, US spouse's family, OR through their US jobs.

That's what my husband and I had to go through, when he moved from Canada to here when we got married...I was supposed to sponser him. Unfortunately I'd had a stroke prior to his moving down here, so I was unable to work. Meaning I didn't have the finacial resources to do that. So I contacted my congressman, who helped us get my husband a temporary work social security number so he could get work. Then my husband's job sponsered my husband for him to remain here till he was approved/allowed permenant residency.

And the INS did regular check-ins with his job, to ensure they'd continue to sponser him, as well as interviewing his employer to guarentee we were actually married, not just pretending to be.


So no...Forester's friend wasn't 'leaving it up to others' but was actually doing exactly what INS says is supposed to be done in these situations...That they are to be sponsered by US spouse, family, or employment.

And there's also no lack of responsibility on Forester's friends' part, as they did exactly what they were supposed to do by INS guidelines. The lack of responsibility was on the employer's part. They renaged on thier promise to sponser.

Furthermore, they are placing the blame on the correct shoulders...That of the employer since it was the employer who said they'd be the sponser.

So lose your 'Same 'ol story; same 'ol song and dance my friends.' comment, since it seems you spoke out of place about a situation you are not familiar with in the first place...That of how INS works and what sponsership entails in these situations.

Because it isn't a 'song and dance' period. It's the facts and only one of the millions of horror stories that involve immigration laws and how much of a messed up situation it is....I know this for a fact, cause I went through it first hand and lived with the fear of my husband being deported at the drop of a hat during the 5 years it took for him to get permenant residency. Not to mention the thousands of dollars in debt it put us in because of all the red tape and paperwork.

In the first place the article is sappy. Meant to draw sympathy. But at the moment, most Americans (in my humble opinion) are full up to here with sympathy for the illegals issues. We have been sappily sympathetic for eons and we're kinda done.
If illegal immigration wasn't such a huge problemo, of course it would be different.
This article would drum up an entirely different reaction.
It's just that illegal immigration is a hot issue.

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GAWD THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION!

This has everything to do with legal immigration. Part of the reason we have a problem with illegal immigration is because the general population refuses to separate legal immigration issues from illegal issues. They are separate. One is for law abiding citizens. The other is not.

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Nope...That logic doesn't work...

Any way you slice it, that person made a concious decision to make permanent moves in a situation where NOTHING permanent was guaranteed...

I fully understand the sponsorship...

But I ALSO fully understand the situation as "somebody doing something before the "i"s are dotted and the "t"s are crossed"...

That is NOT what was done here...

A RESPONSIBLE PERSON wouldn't have "built a life, bought a house, all of that" UNTIL the US citizenship was a done deal...

Doing so beforehand is rolling dice...

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ROTFLMAOL! Do you hear yourself redd?

They 'wouldn't build a life, buy a house, all of that until the US citizenship was a done deal'?

You have got to be kidding...Or being purposefully clueless.

What do you think my husband and I did during that 5 years we were waiting for INS to grant him permenant residency? Said 'hon, you're here but you're really not so don't get comfortable just in case?' Played house with the thoughts that we weren't a family or that it wasn't 'our home'?

We were 'building a life, paying for a home, and all of that' before, during, and after the INS were considering approving him. That's what ALL legal immigrants do while awaiting for the decision to be made...Build a life here in the US during the processing time.

In fact, that's exactly what INS EXPECTS those applying to be in this country to do...Build lives to PROVE they are serious about being here and wanting to make a life here. You have to show them that you are making life long roots here...That you are putting into the economy through work, savings, property ownership, etc...You better be building a life here, not just 'passing through' while awaiting INS to finish their investigation.

In our case, we had to show them joint bank accounts, savings accounts, insurance policies with both of us on them, stocks in both our names, joint property, credit cards, etc...All these things showing that we were 'building a life together', 'buying/building a home together', and 'all of that'.

That's why for those that are doing everything they are supposed to do to be here, lose so much if INS refuses their applications. INS tells them to build lives while they're waiting, then they lose all of that when INS says they have to leave.

I have a cousin who's married to a lady from the UK...For 6 years, they struggled through the paperwork, just for INS to tell her she had to go back to the UK and to re-file. Took another 3 years for her to return here, to her husband and their children...And they're STILL fighting with INS over the paperwork 2 years later, afraid they'll send her back yet again...In the meantime, she has to show proof that she owns nothing in the UK, has no hidden bank accounts over-seas, as well as building a financial portfolio here that includes financial accounts and property in her name as well as her husband's.

My sister-in-law is married to an American. They've been married 17 years, have 2 children that are both duel-national (they're American-Canadian). 4 years ago they had to move from Canada, back to Indiana, to take care of my sister-in-law's father-in-law...A year after being here, INS deported her and my nephew...My nephew who happens to be American AND Canadian...While allowing my niece (who's also American and Canadian) and brother-in-law to remain?

The grounds? INS says they didn't believe that they were 'really truthful about being married since they didn't have communal property here in the US anymore'...After 17 years of being married, of having lived together during that time in both the US and Canada during those 17 years, after having 2 children together during that 17 years, etc...That's because last time they lived in the states, and ended up having to move back to Canada because of his job, they had to sell (at a loss), all the communal property they owned here in the US to have the finances to start again in Canada. And then when they moved back here, they had to sell (again at a loss) all they had in Canada to prove to INS they were serious about being here.

Like I said redd, you don't have the first clue about what you're trying to talk about. Cause those applying for residency here better be building a life, buying property, building a financial portfolio, etc. if they want to show INS they are serious about being in this country. In fact, you better have be able to show them proof you're were building a life here prior to applying. And even then, it's still shaky cause INS can take that all away and leave you with nothing when they tell you to leave.

So, despite your contention otherwise, a responsible person applying for residency here would indeed be building a life, purchasing property, and all of that well before ink ever hit the paper in the first place...Cause INS tells you you have to and to hope the dice roll in your favor.

I've got to second Debateman's words...

Salt, the article isn't talking about illegal immigrants, but LEGAL IMMIGRANTS. You are confusing two totally different scenerios. They are not the same, period.

These individuals aren't trying to sneak into the country. These individuals have actually entered our country LEGALLY and asking to remain LEGALLY. There's no comparison to the issue of illegal immigration in what's being discussed here.

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