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Old 12-21-2007, 01:24 PM
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I never mentioned the aspect of him saying that a majority of black people are criminals...if you were to start with the thread title "Are most black people criminals?", then you'd have a case...

But you didn't...you intentionally twisted it into the "animal" aspect, which was only done as a comparison analogy and not a statement of fact...

Put it this way...

If you were to write "Puerto Ricans multiply like rabbits" and I started a thread based off your comment with the thread title "Are Puerto Ricans small furry animals that eat carrots and are a symbol of Easter?", you'd see I failed to get the analogy...

Which is what you did...

Now on to the bigger picture...irrelevant of the details of this thread, this much IS known...

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The reason you started this thread was NOT to instigate legitimate discussion...It was to poke another member with a stick...Any twisted defense you try to put up will fall on deaf ears...The intent is obvious...You are intentionally trying to rile members up, and that will not be tolerated...

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I disagree again....What led to this thread was an exchange in another thread that was off topic for THAT thread and I thought THIS would be a better place to further the discussion. If I wanted to poke a member, I wouldn't use a stick. I thought changing the thread was the correct thing to do to keep from throwing the thread off. Since it seems to really tick some people off...

But anyway....Here's the true genesis and why this thread is called what it is..It started with the above quoted statement....Was that "stick poking"?
Then this post...which he gave a possible justification for his comparison.

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I don't feel that way

but there are certainly many people who do believe that

I believe comes about because statistically blacks are more prone to violence and crime and are not prone to working at a job steadily, preferring to take what they need to sustain themselves rather than work for it.
Which specifically indicates what "he believes" about black people. And the crime aspect directly relates to his "majority" statement. Which was in the next post.

"Are black people animals" was what we were discussing. If anything I should be the one that feels jabbed. But calling my credibility into question in this case weakens your own since it's clear how this whole situation was created. I wasn't the one who started comparing black people to animals.
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I will throw in my two cents here...

I have intracted with Tristan for many years now. I have seen NO indication that he is a racist. I have seen him make comparisons for sake of arguement, but never has he said that he believes that black people are any less than white people.

This is something that I would be sensitive to since I am a black woman. I have noted that there are those that, online, pretend that they are black that show their own true racist tendencies while trying to hide behind that veil. It's pretty lame actually...

Back on topic...

ALL humans are animals, regardless of the color of their skin.
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I will throw in my two cents here...

I have intracted with Tristan for many years now. I have seen NO indication that he is a racist. I have seen him make comparisons for sake of arguement, but never has he said that he believes that black people are any less than white people.

This is something that I would be sensitive to since I am a black woman. I have noted that there are those that, online, pretend that they are black that show their own true racist tendencies while trying to hide behind that veil. It's pretty lame actually...

Back on topic...

ALL humans are animals, regardless of the color of their skin.
I don't make comparisons strictly for the sake of argument unless I can back it up. No point comparing dark to light if you can't show how light and dark compare.
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Your refusal to realize or acknowledge Tristan's argument is not a limitation on TristanRobin.
Your claim on Tristan's argument also demonstrates either a blatant dishonesty on your part, or a misunderstanding of how people use the English language.
Have you asked yourself why YOU ALONE seem to be the only one who can't get what Tristan was saying?
No. I've several instances of people willing to sacrifice their own credibility to support another. You are a prime example. And I'm not shocked by those dittoing this and other posts where someone was blatantly wrong, but they wanted to show "support".


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The reasons for the comparison are given. Explicitly.
Often in response to you displaying a specific thought process, and then I point out how that thought process has been used in the past.
But of course, you take ALL of that out of context, refuse to acknowledge my COMPLETE argument, and continue to gain a "reputation" amongst others.
Sounds good. But I don't see where that happened here. And his reasons made no sense in why black people should be called "animals". Do they correlate to you?

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Your incredulity does not make an argument negating an analogy.
Your refusal to see the argument does not make an argument negating an analogy.
You often point to irrelevant and trivial factors and pretend they somehow negate things.
You don't seem to understand (or don't care) about the issue of relevance to the argument.
Just like you did here. You are expanding the debate to "other ocurrences" to avoid addressing this one. Here we have 2 specific points...not other. Black people are animals and a majority of black people seem to be criminals.

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Fxashun, you are just proving yourself thoroughly unworthy for discussion.
You claim he was saying black people are "like" animals?
You misrepresent what he WAS saying.
He said "IT would be sort of like how..."
1) "IT" does not refer to "black race". It refers to the SCENARIO that was described. He is drawing a comparison upon the ARGUMENT.

2) NOTHING in that sentence structure intelligently lends itself to the conclusion "he said blacks are like animals".
If you were to sit down and DIAGRAM that sentence, showing what words were associated with what in verb, noun, adverb, adjective format, it would be clear.
Or else you would just insist on making some ridiculous contortion that supported your absurd conclusion.
It was more than just one post. Maybe you need to read back.
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No. I've several instances of people willing to sacrifice their own credibility to support another.

Do you know what the definition of "credible" is in the first place?

When you are the only one that finds yourself "credible", then you do not have "credibility".
You can continue to pretend that you're the only one who is right, but most sane people would start to question the situation when you've got multiple other people who understand what Tristan is saying, and you are ALONE in trying to misrepresent it as something else.


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And I'm not shocked by those dittoing this and other posts where someone was blatantly wrong, but they wanted to show "support".
You are seriously not getting the bigger picture here.
It should come as no surprise that SOME of the posters chimed in, from your pessimistic view-point.
But Cnredd has butted heads with Tristan MUCH more than he has ever agreed with him, IMO. IP has also had some pretty good arguments with Tristan.
It's not just the "pro-gay" side of the fence that is noting your lack of credibility.
It is MULTIPLE camps that are telling you that you're all hosed up.


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Sounds good. But I don't see where that happened here. And his reasons made no sense in why black people should be called "animals". Do they correlate to you?
He didn't call black people "animals" in that sentence.
He was comparing the ARGUMENT to another scenario.


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Just like you did here. You are expanding the debate to "other ocurrences" to avoid addressing this one.
That's a lie.
I EXPLICITLY STATED what Tristan did in his sentence.
He was comparing the ARGUMENT to another scenario involving animals.


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It was more than just one post. Maybe you need to read back.
I am thoroughly underwhelmed by people who insist that I need to do more work in order to prove them right.
It's a boring tactic.
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Do you know what the definition of "credible" is in the first place?
Here it is...
Definition of credible - Merriam-Webster Online Dictionary
And credibility..
Definition of credibility - Merriam-Webster Online Dictionary
Your point?

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When you are the only one that finds yourself "credible", then you do not have "credibility".
You can continue to pretend that you're the only one who is right, but most sane people would start to question the situation when you've got multiple other people who understand what Tristan is saying, and you are ALONE in trying to misrepresent it as something else.
But "most people" aren't the 3 or 4 who are here. The same people here are pretty much the same ones backing up Forest when she was obviously wrong about R.I legally honoring Mass homosexual marriages. Her own information refuted her.

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You are seriously not getting the bigger picture here.
It should come as no surprise that SOME of the posters chimed in, from your pessimistic view-point.
But Cnredd has butted heads with Tristan MUCH more than he has ever agreed with him, IMO. IP has also had some pretty good arguments with Tristan.
It's not just the "pro-gay" side of the fence that is noting your lack of credibility.
It is MULTIPLE camps that are telling you that you're all hosed up.
And??? I wonder what was the "comparison" that brought this up. Is this a racist statement?
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because he followed it up in subsequent posts. Or is that just another comparison?

Or is it true that black kids are black to keep police and welfare workers employed? He may have a point. Or do I.

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He didn't call black people "animals" in that sentence.
He was comparing the ARGUMENT to another scenario.
In the "animals" sentence, I see he is clearly using a comparison. And that was why I created this thread, to discuss "why" would someone make that comparison. But then...he did the criminal sentence, which has a feel similar to the posts after the one linked to above.

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That's a lie.
I EXPLICITLY STATED what Tristan did in his sentence.
He was comparing the ARGUMENT to another scenario involving animals.
This sentence doesn't make sense ranswer to this exchange..

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Your incredulity does not make an argument negating an analogy.
Your refusal to see the argument does not make an argument negating an analogy.
You often point to irrelevant and trivial factors and pretend they somehow negate things.
You don't seem to understand (or don't care) about the issue of relevance to the argument.
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Just like you did here. You are expanding the debate to "other ocurrences" to avoid addressing this one. Here we have 2 specific points...not other. Black people are animals and a majority of black people seem to be criminals.
Huh?

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I am thoroughly underwhelmed by people who insist that I need to do more work in order to prove them right.
It's a boring tactic.
It's not a tactic...You obviously didn't read the whole exchange that led up to this thread. I was just telling you that you might need to go and check it out. It might keep you from signing on to this and losing even more credibility by trying to support this person.
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oh give it a rest

you're boring

EVERY SINGLE PERSON on this thread who has responded to you has explained (and sometimes in far more depth than your adolescent attacks deserve) why you are wrong and being dishonest about my posts.

since EVERY SINGLE PERSON responding has told you that you're wrong - and I'VE told that you have misrepresented my words and are presenting them dishonestly - do you think that possibly everybody can see through your sophomoric rant?

there are people on this forum who have known me for years - there are people on this forum I have been in contact with OFF the internet and spoken with in real life. Nobody thinks I'm a racist (which is pretty obvious from the comments I've made about bigots and what I think of them).

YOU'RE BORING - GIVE IT A REST
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oh give it a rest

you're boring

EVERY SINGLE PERSON on this thread who has responded to you has explained (and sometimes in far more depth than your adolescent attacks deserve) why you are wrong and being dishonest about my posts.

since EVERY SINGLE PERSON responding has told you that you're wrong - and I'VE told that you have misrepresented my words and are presenting them dishonestly - do you think that possibly everybody can see through your sophomoric rant?

there are people on this forum who have known me for years - there are people on this forum I have been in contact with OFF the internet and spoken with in real life. Nobody thinks I'm a racist (which is pretty obvious from the comments I've made about bigots and what I think of them).

YOU'RE BORING - GIVE IT A REST
Every single person on this thread...which includes every one listed on your "Thank you" line, are doing as I would expect. I didn't misrepresent any of your words...They are there for anyone to read them. I can make my point about the abnormality of homosexuality without referring to "you", it seems to make your points, you have to refer to "black people" using questionable information like "a majority of black people are criminal", "blacks are like animals", "blacks keep welfare workers employed". I'm sorry if you disagree, but that's arguing like a racist.
And your 4 or 5 cheerleaders ain't gonna change that fact. People have been fired for less.
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I'm a purple animal. (and no I am not gay). lol
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