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Old 12-21-2007, 12:29 PM
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I was wondering why he didn't get what an "analogy" was and how a person can provide an analogy regarding a position that they don't support.
Then I remembered who I was talking about, realized he probably DID get the analogy, and was just trying to create a mountain out of a mole-hill.

I've come to the realization that while he will refuse to acknowledge the reality of what is being said, others can fully see it.
I often take the tactic of telling the rest of the message board that if they think he has a point, or would like to see his question answered, then ask and I will do so. Otherwise, there is no reason for me to beat a dead horse at his insistence, while others recognize the horse is long since dead...



Ahh.
I was wondering.
That explains it.

But of course, I'm sure he'll insist that he and others have nothing to do with that...
An analogy should make sense though. If you say that black people are "like animals", you should at least be able to substantiate that analogy or it means nothing. If I say that someone is a lying racist, it doesn't mean anything....until I have proof./\

And if I make the analogies about homosexuality that Tristan says I do, I am fully capable of making the correlation in no uncertain terms. The only dead horse that is being beat here is the one when people compare homosexuality with the racism that was perpetrated on MANY races in this country. Blacks, Asians, Irish, American Indians etc all suffered in this country at one time or another. But to compare that to the specieswide abnormality that is homosexuality, I still have yet to see that "analogy" come together with any validity.
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Old 12-21-2007, 12:41 PM
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You make it sound like statements like that are rare for you...
because they are

I only use them to you when exposing your bigotry and prejudice and self-serving rhetoric.

And, as we both know, I hardly ever communicate with you, it is indeed rare for me to make such statements.

You're getting even more boring and tiresome
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I Now I fail to see where any caveat can be applied to that statement. You clearly by your sentence structure indicate that even though you know not ALL black people are criminals, you think that "a majority" of black people are. I find it absolutely flabbergasting (I love that word) that you would sit there and pretend now that that statement was supposed to covered by your earlier caveat. You make it sound like statements like that are rare for you...Not.

Didn't you just say something about being honest? Why don't you take your own advice?
You bolded the wrong part of the quote...

It should be this...

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"True not all black people are criminals - but since the majority are, it would seem that it would be sort of like how most animals attack others to eat, yet there are SOME animals that are vegetarians and which DON'T attack other animals."
He was making a comparison, yet you twisted it into the question in the thread's title...VERY deceiving...you've lost credibility...if you had any...
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Old 12-21-2007, 12:53 PM
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You bolded the wrong part of the quote...

It should be this...

He was making a comparison, yet you twisted it into the question in the thread's title...VERY deceiving...you've lost credibility...if you had any...
I disagree....You see THAT snippet was part of an entire thought process...
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violence is strictly a human thing?
I thought that violence and attacking other animals for what they need is exactly HOW animals eat.
And I guess I should have written "indiscriminate" crime - just as all animals will attack another animal 'just because.'
True not all black people are criminals - but since the majority are, it would seem that it would be sort of like how most animals attack others to eat, yet there are SOME animals that are vegetarians and which DON'T attack other animals.
When viewed in entire context, your cut and pasted part does nothing to modify his saying that a majority of black people are criminals. Since the "majority" part really has no bearing on what he was saying other than expressing his opinion of black people. His sentence might as well read...
Since a majority of black people are criminals. blah blah blah.

The thread title came before that particular post was made....That started here.
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you have compared gays to people who have sex with animals, children and dead people - and mentally retarded people. Why is that NOT bigotry - but if we compare black people to animals, it IS bigotry? And bigotry IS hate.
If black people as a race really are similar to animals, it's not bigotry to say such....But if they aren't it is. The same thing I say for my views on homosexuality.
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because they are

I only use them to you when exposing your bigotry and prejudice and self-serving rhetoric.

And, as we both know, I hardly ever communicate with you, it is indeed rare for me to make such statements.

You're getting even more boring and tiresome
If you only used them to me, that would actually make sense. But you have been using racial comparisons about black people for far longer than you've known me. And to people other than me...you know, since you want to bring up DtT.
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I disagree....You see THAT snippet was part of an entire thought process...


Your cut and pasted part does nothing to modify his saying that a majority of black people are criminals. Since the "majority" part really has no bearing on what he was saying other than expressing his opinion of black people.
I never mentioned the aspect of him saying that a majority of black people are criminals...if you were to start with the thread title "Are most black people criminals?", then you'd have a case...

But you didn't...you intentionally twisted it into the "animal" aspect, which was only done as a comparison analogy and not a statement of fact...

Put it this way...

If you were to write "Puerto Ricans multiply like rabbits" and I started a thread based off your comment with the thread title "Are Puerto Ricans small furry animals that eat carrots and are a symbol of Easter?", you'd see I failed to get the analogy...

Which is what you did...

Now on to the bigger picture...irrelevant of the details of this thread, this much IS known...

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The reason you started this thread was NOT to instigate legitimate discussion...It was to poke another member with a stick...Any twisted defense you try to put up will fall on deaf ears...The intent is obvious...You are intentionally trying to rile members up, and that will not be tolerated...

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An analogy should make sense though. If you say that black people are "like animals", you should at least be able to substantiate that analogy or it means nothing.
Your refusal to realize or acknowledge Tristan's argument is not a limitation on TristanRobin.
Your claim on Tristan's argument also demonstrates either a blatant dishonesty on your part, or a misunderstanding of how people use the English language.

Have you asked yourself why YOU ALONE seem to be the only one who can't get what Tristan was saying?


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And if I make the analogies about homosexuality that Tristan says I do, I am fully capable of making the correlation in no uncertain terms. The only dead horse that is being beat here is the one when people compare homosexuality with the racism that was perpetrated on MANY races in this country.
The reasons for the comparison are given. Explicitly.
Often in response to you displaying a specific thought process, and then I point out how that thought process has been used in the past.

But of course, you take ALL of that out of context, refuse to acknowledge my COMPLETE argument, and continue to gain a "reputation" amongst others.


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Blacks, Asians, Irish, American Indians etc all suffered in this country at one time or another. But to compare that to the specieswide abnormality that is homosexuality, I still have yet to see that "analogy" come together with any validity.
Your incredulity does not make an argument negating an analogy.
Your refusal to see the argument does not make an argument negating an analogy.

You often point to irrelevant and trivial factors and pretend they somehow negate things.
You don't seem to understand (or don't care) about the issue of relevance to the argument.

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True not all black people are criminals - but since the majority are, it would seem that it would be sort of like how most animals attack others to eat, yet there are SOME animals that are vegetarians and which DON'T attack other animals.
Fxashun, you are just proving yourself thoroughly unworthy for discussion.
You claim he was saying black people are "like" animals?

You misrepresent what he WAS saying.
He said "IT would be sort of like how..."
1) "IT" does not refer to "black race". It refers to the SCENARIO that was described. He is drawing a comparison upon the ARGUMENT.

2) NOTHING in that sentence structure intelligently lends itself to the conclusion "he said blacks are like animals".
If you were to sit down and DIAGRAM that sentence, showing what words were associated with what in verb, noun, adverb, adjective format, it would be clear.
Or else you would just insist on making some ridiculous contortion that supported your absurd conclusion.
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