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Old 09-06-2021, 02:18 PM
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Is there such a thing as "personally pro-choice but legally pro-life"? Has any pro-lifer actually made such an absurd statement in abortion debate? As far as I know I have never seen a pro-lifer claim they were personally pro-choice but legally pro-life. Nor have I every heard a pro-lifer say they personally for a person's right to choose but think it should be illegal to kill a baby that is still the womb. I don't frequent abortion threads that much but I am sure if a pro-lifer tried to falsely claim they were morally pro-choice but legally pro-life" then they would get laughed out of the forum.But all the time abortionists falsely claim to be "morally pro-life but legally pro-choice". It seems like a stupid ass attempt to insensate that pro-lifers who oppose abortion being legal are on the extreme on the pro-life side even though pro-life is the opposition to abortion being legal,especially elective abortions. They spew the same abortionists lines of supporting a woman's right to choose to kill her unborn child and that they want to it to be safe and legal for a mother to kill their baby that is still in their womb. Why do more people not call horse**** on this nonsense of someone saying"I'm personally pro-life, but legally pro-choice"? Because to someone who is pro-life abortion is the murder of an innocent baby. Its why pro-lifers oppose abortions being legal. Especially elective abortions which are done solely for birth control instead of some medical issue. So how can someone be okay with it being legal to murder an innocent baby for the sake of birth control and want that murderer to be safe while in the act of murdering her baby? Out of the closet abortionists claim the baby in the womb is not a baby or human being as a means of trying to dehumanize that baby in order to justify killing that baby. No one except for really sick ****ed up in the head people would openly say they oppose murdering a innocent man or woman but think it should be safe and legal to murder that innocent man or woman. The reason no one has claimed they are personally pro-choice but legally pro-life" is because one term means you support abortions being legal and the other term means you oppose abortions, especially elective abortions being illegal.
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Default Re: "personally pro-choice but legally pro-life"?

I don't know where the 'legally' part comes in.

I am pro-choice. That means I do not have the right to make other people's choices for them (inclusive of any personal choice). For myself, I am pro-life.

If and when RvW is knocked down, then legally, one no longer has a choice.
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Sarcasm for thought

I'm legally pro-arson and pro-looting, but personally I'm against it.
I'd never loot or set fire to things myself but what other people do on their time off is their concern.

If they want to take the risk of cutting themselves with glass, or getting burned who am i to tell them otherwise? many of then do it very safely. ANd hire professionals to help.

I don't give any credence to the idea of it's not their property they are burning or looting. They are simply moving their OWN BODIES.
Who knows if other people really own the things people loot or burn. It's a philosophical question that's been debated forever.
What is ownership? Who owns anything... except their own body really?
Some people have very fixed ideas about "where ownership begins", others aren't so sure. But even with the history of this country can anyone really say it's a fixed concept.
So legally I think it's should be allowed.
Arson and looting may be the only thing some people have available to get by on. Is the GOV't or the Chruch going to pay for them to live if they don't?!?! hmmm.

I'm a very modern and free thinking person myself, who doesn't want to control other people or draw definitive lines in some controversial areas where it's seems more progressive and compassionate to appear to straddle the fence.
And don't want to see the clear moral boundaries applied because that's to drastic a social shift for my taste.
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Sarcasm for thought

I'm legally pro-arson and pro-looting, but personally I'm against it.
I'd never loot or set fire to things myself but what other people do on their time off is their concern.

If they want to take the risk of cutting themselves with glass, or getting burned who am i to tell them otherwise? many of then do it very safely. ANd hire professionals to help.

I don't give any credence to the idea of it's not their property they are burning or looting. They are simply moving their OWN BODIES.
Who knows if other people really own the things people loot or burn. It's a philosophical question that's been debated forever.
What is ownership? Who owns anything... except their own body really?
Some people have very fixed ideas about "where ownership begins", others aren't so sure. But even with the history of this country can anyone really say it's a fixed concept.
So legally I think it's should be allowed.
Arson and looting may be the only thing some people have available to get by on. Is the GOV't or the Chruch going to pay for them to live if they don't?!?! hmmm.

I'm a very modern and free thinking person myself, who doesn't want to control other people or draw definitive lines in some controversial areas where it's seems more progressive and compassionate to appear to straddle the fence.
And don't want to see the clear moral boundaries applied because that's to drastic a social shift for my taste.
Also, I'm Pro-slavery but I'd never own one myself.
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Default Re: "personally pro-choice but legally pro-life"?

Any person who forces a woman into an unwanted pregnancy should be charged with and convicted of rape.

If the woman on the other hand makes choices that leads to an unwanted pregnancy, that's not the fault of the child she carries.
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Is there such a thing as "personally pro-choice but legally pro-life"?
That doesn't even make sense, so I doubt it.
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That doesn't even make sense, so I doubt it.
Personally pro-life but legally pro-choice doesn't make sense either. But abortionists all the time try to make that absurd claim.
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Personally pro-life but legally pro-choice doesn't make sense either. But abortionists all the time try to make that absurd claim.
Agreed...

That's like saying "I believe abortion is the actual murder of a child, but I gots no problem if someone does it, as long as it's not me."...
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Sarcasm for thought

I'm legally pro-arson and pro-looting, but personally I'm against it.
I'd never loot or set fire to things myself but what other people do on their time off is their concern.

If they want to take the risk of cutting themselves with glass, or getting burned who am i to tell them otherwise? many of then do it very safely. ANd hire professionals to help.

I don't give any credence to the idea of it's not their property they are burning or looting. They are simply moving their OWN BODIES.
Who knows if other people really own the things people loot or burn. It's a philosophical question that's been debated forever.
What is ownership? Who owns anything... except their own body really?
Some people have very fixed ideas about "where ownership begins", others aren't so sure. But even with the history of this country can anyone really say it's a fixed concept.
So legally I think it's should be allowed.
Arson and looting may be the only thing some people have available to get by on. Is the GOV't or the Chruch going to pay for them to live if they don't?!?! hmmm.

I'm a very modern and free thinking person myself, who doesn't want to control other people or draw definitive lines in some controversial areas where it's seems more progressive and compassionate to appear to straddle the fence.
And don't want to see the clear moral boundaries applied because that's to drastic a social shift for my taste.
I believe this is the first time I would have to say your post fails, even though you marked it 'sarcasm'.

Pro-arson and pro-looting, as actions, are illegal. Both actions damage the property of individuals who can physically function independently of any other human.

If you believe you have the right to take away the legal actions of another individual, then you too are subject to the same, at other people's discretion.

Kind of a scary thought, isn't it.
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Agreed...

That's like saying "I believe abortion is the actual murder of a child, but I gots no problem if someone does it, as long as it's not me."...
It has do with legal versus illegal.

Let me know how you would feel if your right to something legal is taken away, because someone else has made your choice for you, which impacts you physically, emotionally and monetarily.
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