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Default What is your view on abortion?

I didn't want to resurrect a really old thread, so I thought I'd post a new one.

I think someone has the right to remove something growing inside their body, regardless of if it's another human being or not.

If it IS another human being, how that gets removed depends on the technology we have available.

I think life starts at conception. I think abortion is murder, but a necessary evil until artificial wombs are available just about everywhere.

Once we have artificial wombs available, I think abortions should be illegal except in rare cases, like where it's somehow necessary for the survival of the mother, or the baby will have severe birth defects--the baby won't likely survive once it's outside the mother, or really rare instances that I can't think of right now.

With artificial wombs, someone can sign paperwork essentially giving the baby up for adoption (or signed over to the father, or whatever) and be done with it.

What's your take on this?
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Old 12-10-2019, 08:36 AM
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I am pro-choice, which according to those who have no understanding of violating the rights are inclusive of body autonomy, means I will not make choices for other people.

I don't like abortion, and I would not choose so for myself. I understand why it might happen, why it might be medically necessary, but I also have no right to tell someone what they can or cannot do to their own body.

I don't know enough about artificial wombs to make an intelligent comment.
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I didn't want to resurrect a really old thread, so I thought I'd post a new one.

I think someone has the right to remove something growing inside their body, regardless of if it's another human being or not.

If it IS another human being, how that gets removed depends on the technology we have available.

I think life starts at conception. I think abortion is murder, but a necessary evil until artificial wombs are available just about everywhere.

Once we have artificial wombs available, I think abortions should be illegal except in rare cases, like where it's somehow necessary for the survival of the mother, or the baby will have severe birth defects--the baby won't likely survive once it's outside the mother, or really rare instances that I can't think of right now.

With artificial wombs, someone can sign paperwork essentially giving the baby up for adoption (or signed over to the father, or whatever) and be done with it.

What's your take on this?
As you stated, I believe that life begins at conception and that abortion is murdering an unborn child.

That being said, I would say that I am Pro-Choice. But before anyone get's the wrong impression, let me clarify that statement.

Everyone has choices to make. We do it every day of our lives. Choices also have consequences. Some consequences are good, some not so much.

When my son was younger, he asked me if he could do something that he knew I would not approve of. I then responded with an answer that surprised him. I said "Sure you can. But you need to decide if it is worth the consequences." We then had a discussion on the subject where I explained that when he got older, he could do anything he wanted if he was willing to accept the consequences.

He immediately asked if he could "rob a bank." I responded, "You sure can. But how long are you willing to sit in jail for the crime?"

All that being said, I am Pro-Choice. That choice is made at conception. If you decide that the consequence if worth the action that caused conception, then you have a choice to make.

In the case of my children, it was an easy choice.

But what a lot of people forget is that the object of conception has absolutely no say in the matter. They are at the mercy of those that made the choice to put them in that predicament. And I learned from my Christian upbringing that God has empowered us to defend the most innocent and defenseless among us.
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I think someone has the right to remove something growing inside their body, regardless of if it's another human being or not.
I agree 100%.
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I think if a woman doesn't want the baby, she should give it up for adoption, or abort it.

Could you imagine what this country would look like if we had 90 million more unwanted children growing up here?

We have enough unwanted children that are being baby sitted by the government, ( Public schools, day care, etc. ), and not being trained properly by their parents.
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I have not argument with abortion in and of itself. Sometimes, when a life is at stake, it is the least evil option. Vary rarely is the mother's life in true danger. My problem is the illogical SCOTUS ruling that it is her sole right to decide.

I read the Constitution several times. No where in the text is Abortion on Demand enumerated. However, the abhorrent abomination of the act of killing an innocent in the womb likely never crossed the mind of any of the Founders. So, how did it become a personal civil right?

That even devout Christians sometimes agree, or promote, the act suggests that it is not qualified by religious belief but personal preferences. So I take religion our of the equation.

To me it is inhumane to execute the unborn. Of all the human life we should protect, the innocent unborn, and the youngest of our progeny, deserve the MOST protection from the natural selfish evils to which mankind is prone. The most venerable deserve the most care and compassion. And the most protection.

Show me where that merciful care exists in the act of brutally killing a human fetus. If it takes a 12 person jury of one's peers, and three consenting judges to execute a heinous criminal, why does the one single woman have the exclusive authority to decide the fate of a pure innocent?

Does that not answer the question for you?
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I have not argument with abortion in and of itself. Sometimes, when a life is at stake, it is the least evil option. Vary rarely is the mother's life in true danger. My problem is the illogical SCOTUS ruling that it is her sole right to decide.

I read the Constitution several times. No where in the text is Abortion on Demand enumerated. However, the abhorrent abomination of the act of killing an innocent in the womb likely never crossed the mind of any of the Founders. So, how did it become a personal civil right?

That even devout Christians sometimes agree, or promote, the act suggests that it is not qualified by religious belief but personal preferences. So I take religion our of the equation.

To me it is inhumane to execute the unborn. Of all the human life we should protect, the innocent unborn, and the youngest of our progeny, deserve the MOST protection from the natural selfish evils to which mankind is prone. The most venerable deserve the most care and compassion. And the most protection.

Show me where that merciful care exists in the act of brutally killing a human fetus. If it takes a 12 person jury of one's peers, and three consenting judges to execute a heinous criminal, why does the one single woman have the exclusive authority to decide the fate of a pure innocent?

Does that not answer the question for you?
I can agree with that also.

I have said before that it is possible that 200 years from now people will look back on abortion as a barbaric act, by horrible people. It could take the place of slavery as the worst thing the world has ever done.

They will be knocking down statues of Obama and others, just like people are doing now over slavery.
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I can agree with that also.

I have said before that it is possible that 200 years from now people will look back on abortion as a barbaric act, by horrible people. It could take the place of slavery as the worst thing the world has ever done.

They will be knocking down statues of Obama and others, just like people are doing now over slavery.
It is my hope that such an event doesn't take 200 years to happen.

Meanwhile, the killing fields operate at full throttle. The carnage is huge but we are still bombarded with ads from pro-abortion advocates about poor starving puppies.
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I didn't want to resurrect a really old thread, so I thought I'd post a new one.

I think someone has the right to remove something growing inside their body, regardless of if it's another human being or not.

If it IS another human being, how that gets removed depends on the technology we have available.

I think life starts at conception. I think abortion is murder, but a necessary evil until artificial wombs are available just about everywhere.

Once we have artificial wombs available, I think abortions should be illegal except in rare cases, like where it's somehow necessary for the survival of the mother, or the baby will have severe birth defects--the baby won't likely survive once it's outside the mother, or really rare instances that I can't think of right now.

With artificial wombs, someone can sign paperwork essentially giving the baby up for adoption (or signed over to the father, or whatever) and be done with it.

What's your take on this?
My view has long been that abortion is a medical procedure and should be treated as such.
If a doctor recommends abortion for the physical or mental health of the mother, he/she can refer her to a gynecologist who is quite capable of removing a product of conception. The government or religion should not interfere except to the extent it's made sure she is a willing patient and the medical staff is duly licensed.
A woman does not have the right to choose not to have a baby that is healthy for other than her own health concerns. And yes there are some issues for her. The tendency to paint away a woman's health concerns during pregnancy is to wipe away the facts that we now have less women and infant deaths than in the 14th century.
There are many times in life a person is faced with a problem. How we deal with them builds character. And I don't toss that out there lightly. If we don't experience adversity we fail to grow. Also, infanticide is a dangerous path for any society no matter how it is accomplished.
Most of my opinion is moot because RvW is based on privacy like HIPPA.
We may not seek to know as a government or non-confidant of the woman why she is having an abortion. It is none of our business just as we don't have the right to know if she has lymphoma or cancer unless she herself chooses to tell us.
I do take issue with "abortion clinics" though.
My experience is that bottom line -- many businesses will seek side money off their initial service or product. The technology for cell research is too advanced and the temptation too high for these clinics not to engage in
tissue sales.
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I am pro choice.....

Always have been even though that is not a choice that my wife or our small family has ever made. We had one daughter and our daughter has had two boys, so far....


Reasons why....?

I am against any big government control over family sizes and any mandatory laws against women who might happen to get pregnant while the sperm donor completely walks.....

If men could get pregnant, abortions would be as common as Viagra prescriptions…..

For those that want to force women to carry full term, I say then lawfully force the sperm donor to raise the child after the baby is born.....

100% financial responsibility for males....

That is another extreme that I don't ever want big government to have....
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