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Old 09-22-2019, 07:05 AM
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Some balance of rights between the between the judicially declared sacred right to homosexual marriage and the first amendment right to freedom of religion and expression. Too bad it's a state court and not the Federal judicial oligarchs.

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The city of Phoenix cannot compel an art studio owned by two Christians to design wedding invitations for same-sex couples, the Arizona Supreme Court ruled Monday in a 4-3 decision.

Joanna Duka and Breanna Koski, who run Brush & Nib Studio, potentially faced $2,500 in fines and six months in jail for violating Phoenix's 2013 ordinance that prohibited discrimination based on "sexual orientation, gender identity or expression."

"Duka and Koski’s beliefs about same-sex marriage may seem old-fashioned, or even offensive to some," wrote Justice Andrew Gould in the opinion of the court. "But the guarantees of free speech and freedom of religion are not only for those who are deemed sufficiently enlightened, advanced, or progressive."
Of course the City of Phoenix reacted strongly to the idea "uppity " business owners daring to exercise their religious freedom interpreting the decision as applicable only to the one business in the suit.

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The city of Phoenix’s anti-discrimination ordinance is still a legal, valid law and remains in effect," the city of Phoenix said in a statement. "It currently affirms that everyone should be treated fairly and equally regardless of sexual orientation, race, religion, sex, gender or disability. On September 16, 2019, the Arizona Supreme Court made a very narrow ruling that one local business has the right to refuse to make custom wedding invitations for same-sex couples’ weddings that are similar to the designer’s previous products. This ruling does not apply to any other business in Phoenix.
Notice how the city bureaucrats conflate same sex marriage with protections against racial, religious and disability discrimination? Broaden it out such that anyone not willing to be subservient to the law abridging their religious rights must be a racist or bigot against people with disabilities.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.fox...reme-court.amp
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I don't understand the logic behind the forcing of businesses to serve those that conflict with their belief's.

The first two issues in the bill of rights are religion and expression. There is no right to marriage or gay anywhere in the document. To me it's no different than shirt and shoes required or this is a gun free zone. (CC is an actual right BTW)

I, a straight white male, has been denied service on a few occasions. I just moved on. I don't want to eat in a restaurant that doesn't want me there.
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To me, it's not just about religious freedom. As an atheist, I approach this from a freedom point of view.
Any business owner should be allowed to accept or deny their clientele just as any customer is allowed to choose their provider of services. The way a business operates and treats their customers will determine if they remain in business. If the business owner alienates too much of their potential clientele, they will go out of business. Most business owners are trying to remain in business to support themselves and live a good life.
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I agree with all of the previous postings. 100%

I have often wondered why My business has not been targeted because I refuse to do Government contracts on the basis of MY PERCEPTION of government racism in their contract policies. I tell them that when asked why I decline the work. However, If I could be accused of refusing to work with a government project because it involved something with which I disagreed, like say same sex marriage, I could be taken to court.

And yet, the comparison of sexual orientation to racism is always made.

It seems a fine line that serving the public means one must accept everything, despite personal freedoms which should allow us to refuse. And yet I am guaranteed the right to "practice" my beliefs under the first amendment to the Constitution. A document every Federal employee from Judge to lawe enforcement , to elected representative, is required to "Preserve and Protect" when taking the oaths of their office.

Preserve and Protect; How does anyone not understand, or disagree, with what that means?
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Some balance of rights between the between the judicially declared sacred right to homosexual marriage and the first amendment right to freedom of religion and expression. Too bad it's a state court and not the Federal judicial oligarchs.



Of course the City of Phoenix reacted strongly to the idea "uppity " business owners daring to exercise their religious freedom interpreting the decision as applicable only to the one business in the suit.



Notice how the city bureaucrats conflate same sex marriage with protections against racial, religious and disability discrimination? Broaden it out such that anyone not willing to be subservient to the law abridging their religious rights must be a racist or bigot against people with disabilities.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.fox...reme-court.amp

This is good news no one should be forced to to make cakes, and other **** that contradicts their values. That business should not be forced to make wedding invitations for a gay wedding anymore than they should be compelled to make pro-nazi protest signs.
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