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Old 07-21-2019, 01:07 PM
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abortionist push for death of child up to the point of birth.
many are in fact "viable".

But bottom line 'viability is just another lame excuse to kill someone that's not sick.
If I recall correctly only 2.5% of all abortions are late term abortion where the fetus might be viable. These abortions are only allowed based upon a diagnosis by a doctor that a serious health risk exists where abortion could resolve that medical condition. None of these abortions are "on demand' based upon the woman.

The fetus, even as a person, has no right to exist inside of the woman's body.

A right is inherent in the person, cannot be dependent upon another person, it cannot infringe upon or violate the rights of another person, and it cannot impose an involuntary obligation upon another person."

At anytime during the pregnancy the woman has the "right" to have the fetus removed from her body. If that removal results in the death of the fetus during the removal process it's called an abortion. If the fetus is removed unharmed and intact then it's a surgical delivery. If the fetus dies from natural causes after it's removed from the woman's womb then it's not a violation of the "rights of the person" because no act of aggression was committed against it and no harm was caused to it during the delivery.

No acts of aggression were committed in any of these cases and the death of the fetus was due to natural causes.

Of note the person with legal medical power of attorney has the authority to define what medical treatments may be used or not used for the person they're responsible for.

When my mother turned 95 she assigned me legal medical power of attorney and, at her direction, I specified that no life saving medical procedures were to be used on her. She was to be provided with pain relief only.

The mother of a new born infant has that same medical power of attorney over the infant. It's the friggin' law whether you agree with it or not.
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If I recall correctly only 2.5% of all abortions are late term abortion where the fetus might be viable. These abortions are only allowed based upon a diagnosis by a doctor that a serious health risk exists where abortion could resolve that medical condition. None of these abortions are "on demand' based upon the woman.

The fetus, even as a person, has no right to exist inside of the woman's body.

A right is inherent in the person, cannot be dependent upon another person, it cannot infringe upon or violate the rights of another person, and it cannot impose an involuntary obligation upon another person."

At anytime during the pregnancy the woman has the "right" to have the fetus removed from her body. If that removal results in the death of the fetus during the removal process it's called an abortion. If the fetus is removed unharmed and intact then it's a surgical delivery. If the fetus dies from natural causes after it's removed from the woman's womb then it's not a violation of the "rights of the person" because no act of aggression was committed against it and no harm was caused to it during the delivery.

No acts of aggression were committed in any of these cases and the death of the fetus was due to natural causes.

Of note the person with legal medical power of attorney has the authority to define what medical treatments may be used or not used for the person they're responsible for.

When my mother turned 95 she assigned me legal medical power of attorney and, at her direction, I specified that no life saving medical procedures were to be used on her. She was to be provided with pain relief only.

The mother of a new born infant has that same medical power of attorney over the infant. It's the friggin' law whether you agree with it or not.
who's on 1st... 3rd base.
we've been around this bend before.
just answer this for me.

you say
"A right is inherent in the person, cannot be dependent upon another person, it cannot infringe upon or violate the rights of another person, and it cannot impose an involuntary obligation upon another person."

Ok, if that's your definition of where rights lay.
How can you promote universal health care as a right?
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just answer this for me.

you say
"A right is inherent in the person, cannot be dependent upon another person, it cannot infringe upon or violate the rights of another person, and it cannot impose an involuntary obligation upon another person."

Ok, if that's your definition of where rights lay.
How can you promote universal health care as a right?
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A right is inherent in the person, cannot be dependent upon another person, it cannot infringe upon or violate the rights of another person, and it cannot impose an involuntary obligation upon another person."
And more additional bullshlt:

"The Constitution protects the Rights of the Person and the "Person" is a human being after birth. Prior to birth there are no protections in the Constitution.

There's also a basic criteria where a Right does or does not exist.

A Natural Right is inherent in the Person, not dependent upon another person, it does not conflict with the Rights of another person, and it does not impose an involuntary obligation upon another person." --ShivaTD




Nice cop-out to include a newborn baby. He is not really deserving of a natural right, since he is dependent upon another person, he will conflict with the rights of another person, and he imposes an involuntary obligation upon another person. Like the elderly might, the paraplegic family member, certain people who cannot help themselves, et cetera.

Weed out the people who are a burden on society, is what liberal d**kheads want. At the same time, they mollycoddle the ones intruding into our country.




What a crock of shlt!
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