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Old 05-29-2019, 11:53 AM
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I don't see anywhere I've read that those other services are in danger of losing their license. It's the abortion service that is in jeopardy.

Franc is correct. PP has been touting those other services and claiming that abortion is just a small part of what they do. Now the claim that without the small part they will be forced to close the doors to all the rest.
By denying the license for part of what they offer, removes the ability of a woman to receive the service at an affordable cost.

Until the day you, or a loved one, is forced into the position where a choice does need to be made, the lack of that option will always seem like nothing much.
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According to PP 98% of pregnant women referred to them end up receiving abortions. Yeah sure they counsel alternatives. Stripped of the political rhetoric a 98% success rate for a single alternative would logically be used to classify the organization as advocates.

Let's hear from Abby Johnson former PP clinic director.

https://sacfl.org/blog/testimony-abb...public-hearing

There is no reason besides the romantic infatuation with eugenics for PP to be considered a women's health care provider. There are a far larger number of clinics and physicians that provide actual women's health services that do not function as a marketing agency for abortion. Insisting that unless PP provides these services is nothing but pro abortion propaganda.
Because women go to them for an affordable service, if that is their choice. They do provide contraceptives, hell, O got mine there way back when, and I'm damn thankful I could get them and never needed other services from them.

Before they allow you to sign anything, you are required to receive counseling on the other options. Some women, without a doubt, have made their choice before going there, there is no argument there.

I hope for your sake you never have to have a family member or other have to make that choice, and be unable to make the choice.
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By denying the license for part of what they offer, removes the ability of a woman to receive the service at an affordable cost.

Until the day you, or a loved one, is forced into the position where a choice does need to be made, the lack of that option will always seem like nothing much.
I don't see how an abortion for convenience can be a forced position. It's not like some rapist ass hole forcing a woman to carry his baby, like it or not.
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There is not on scintilla of evidence in the Constitution that abortion is a civil right. The same document clearly says that no state has the right to prevent a person from a right to life.


And Yet.....
Somehow the SCOTUS found a way to please the screaming left and allow it,,,"AS A RIGHT." All to make abortions safe, legal, and with the help of counseling agencies like PP, hopefully rare.

Other than the death of 60,000,000 Americans, I'm not sure what was actually accomplished by the ruling. The left is still screaming. And those on the right are still lamenting the loss of life.
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I don't see how an abortion for convenience can be a forced position. It's not like some rapist ass hole forcing a woman to carry his baby, like it or not.
How would you differentiate?

I do not like or support using abortion for 'convenience', as in didn't bother with contraceptives. But condoms break, and there is that 1% of failure on the Pill. Rape does happen, as does incest, and the failure of contraceptives. But how is an authority supposed to ascertain this?

On a somewhat humorous side note, a couple that I was friends with has 4 daughters... and each one happened during a different form of contraception.
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How would you differentiate?

I do not like or support using abortion for 'convenience', as in didn't bother with contraceptives. But condoms break, and there is that 1% of failure on the Pill. Rape does happen, as does incest, and the failure of contraceptives. But how is an authority supposed to ascertain this?

On a somewhat humorous side note, a couple that I was friends with has 4 daughters... and each one happened during a different form of contraception.
I understand the breaking of a contraceptive or other anti-conception method. Like I said, murder of a human in any stage of conception and development is still murder, but if the couple still decide the baby is unwanted and should be murdered, what is the earliest time a doctor can find that there is a pregnancy involved? I don't think he has to wait until the baby is in a form ready for the butcher.

The lifeboat scenario I used in another thread can also be changed into the rooftop scenario. The chances of something like that happening are pretty much more than winning the lottery, but sacrificing one human to save the other one, still calls for murder of an innocent life.

I inserted the above to show that sometimes murder might be the only way for some people to go. Of course, after several abortions due to failed contraception, I wonder why the guy has not had himself snipped? I heard that is 100 percent effective against conception.

My two cents.

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By denying the license for part of what they offer, removes the ability of a woman to receive the service at an affordable cost.

Until the day you, or a loved one, is forced into the position where a choice does need to be made, the lack of that option will always seem like nothing much.
I'm afraid I'm not following you. If abortion can no longer licensed, how does that affect the rest of what they do?

If you're saying that abortion is a right and that someone else must pay the fee, then I disagree.
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Because women go to them for an affordable service, if that is their choice. They do provide contraceptives, hell, O got mine there way back when, and I'm damn thankful I could get them and never needed other services from them.

Before they allow you to sign anything, you are required to receive counseling on the other options. Some women, without a doubt, have made their choice before going there, there is no argument there.

I hope for your sake you never have to have a family member or other have to make that choice, and be unable to make the choice.
Contraception and other healthcare services are available from other providers not linked arm in arm with abortion mills. The $500 million per year in tax subsidies given to PP could instead be allocated to organizations dedicated to delivering women's health care instead of liquidating unborn children.

Claiming that PP offers counseling on alternatives to abortion when only 2% of the clients elect an alternative is nonsense. PP as a healthcare provider is a facade for funneling clients to their abortion mills.

I pray that you and your family will choose not to use an unplanned pregnancy as an excuse to terminate the life of an innocent child.
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God, I hate the media...

Headline...

Missouri's last abortion clinic says it may lose its license this week

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In a statement Tuesday, Planned Parenthood said Missouri's health department is "refusing to renew" its annual license to provide abortion in the state.
If you refuse to "renew" your license, you are NOT "losing" it...

The media intentionally made this headline to look as if the license it being taken away from them, instead of reality, which is they are getting rid of it voluntarily...
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