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Abortion advocates insist that no reasonable law governing abortion must at minimum include exceptions for rape and incest. But what about the unborn children sacrificed to feed Planned Parenthood's abortion mills? Rebecca Kiessling, Patti Smith and Ryan Scott Bomberger are examples of the human cost of this policy.

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Rebecca Kiessling, a woman conceived through a brutal sexual attack on her mother, claims that lawmakers should punish rapists and not babies.

Kiessling is the founder and president of Save the 1, an organization dedicated to educate the public on saving the 1% of aborted babies conceived through rape.

“I was conceived when my birthmom was abducted at knifepoint by a serial rapist,” Kiessling told TheDCNF, explaining that her mother attempted to have illegal abortions twice.
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Kiessling wants lawmakers to know that their arguments against the lives of babies conceived in rape are dehumanizing and demoralizing to her — a woman who would not be here if her mother had not chosen life.

“It is absolutely dehumanizing and demoralizing when I hear politicians say that I deserved to die for the crime of the man who raped my mother. I deserved equal protection. I’m not a rapist’s child, I’m the child of a rape victim and my mother and I object to me being characterized otherwise.”
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Patti Smith was also conceived through rape, and her mother also chose life. Patti looks forward to a time when society recognizes that all babies conceived are human beings.

“I hope that our society will realize that all babies conceived are human beings, and ALL babies DO have every right to life a happy and full life,” Smith told TheDCNF.

“There is no difference whatsoever between a baby born from rape and a baby NOT conceived from rape,” she added. “
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HERE IS WHAT ADULTS CONCEIVED IN RAPE HAVE TO SAY ABOUT ABORTION
10:46 AM 05/26/2019 | US
Mary Margaret Olohan | Reporter





Persons conceived through rape speak to The Daily Caller News Foundation, explaining why their lives matter and why their mothers chose not to abort them.
Rebecca Kiessling, Patti Smith and Ryan Scott Bomberger respond to critics of restrictive abortion legislation banning abortions even in cases of rape and incest.
Their stories follow the recent introduction of restrictive abortion legislation in Georgia and Alabama.
These adults conceived through rape want lawmakers to know that their lives, and the lives of all babies conceived through rape, are worthy of protection as pro-choice advocates say laws should permit abortions in cases of rape or incest.

Missouri, Georgia, Mississippi, Kentucky, Alabama and Ohio have enacted abortion legislation in the past year, causing pro-choice advocates to speak out in an uproar of protests. Planned Parenthood and the ACLU filed a lawsuit Friday against Alabama abortion legislation. (RELATED: These Are The States That Have Passed Pro-Life Abortion Bills This Year)



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But Rebecca Kiessling, a woman conceived through a brutal sexual attack on her mother, claims that lawmakers should punish rapists and not babies.

Kiessling is the founder and president of Save the 1, an organization dedicated to educate the public on saving the 1% of aborted babies conceived through rape.

“I was conceived when my birthmom was abducted at knifepoint by a serial rapist,” Kiessling told TheDCNF, explaining that her mother attempted to have illegal abortions twice.

“I was almost killed,” Kiessling said. “She backed out because it was illegal and fear for her own safety. Pro-choice when we met, she made it clear she would have aborted me if it had been legal.”


But Kiessling’s mother is no longer pro-choice. “Six years later she changed her ‘choice.’ Now, 30 years since we met, we are both thankful we were both protected from the horror of abortion.”

Kiessling wants lawmakers to know that their arguments against the lives of babies conceived in rape are dehumanizing and demoralizing to her — a woman who would not be here if her mother had not chosen life.

“It is absolutely dehumanizing and demoralizing when I hear politicians say that I deserved to die for the crime of the man who raped my mother. I deserved equal protection. I’m not a rapist’s child, I’m the child of a rape victim and my mother and I object to me being characterized otherwise.”

Washington, DC - January 27, 2017- Women holding signs advocate against abortion, even in the case of rape, during the annual March for Life. Xavier Ascanio, Shutterstock.
Washington, DC – January 27, 2017- Women holding signs advocate against abortion, even in the case of rape, during the annual March for Life. Xavier Ascanio, Shutterstock.

She also pointed out that in the Supreme Court case of Coker v. Georgia, the Supreme Court ruled that rapists do not deserve the death penalty and that in Kennedy v. Louisiana lawmakers ruled that the death penalty for child molesters is cruel and unusual punishment.


“So how is it that my group gets the death penalty?” Kiessling asked. “Punish rapists, not babies! It’s absurd to think more violence in a women’s womb will somehow bring healing.”

Kiessling’s Save The 1 is suing Georgia for the state’s discriminatory exceptions, and Kiessling said they also sued Iowa in 2018. Kiessling herself acted as one of the attorneys.

Patti Smith was also conceived through rape, and her mother also chose life. Patti looks forward to a time when society recognizes that all babies conceived are human beings.

“I hope that our society will realize that all babies conceived are human beings, and ALL babies DO have every right to life a happy and full life,” Smith told TheDCNF.

“There is no difference whatsoever between a baby born from rape and a baby NOT conceived from rape,” she added. “I’m so thankful that my birthmother believed that too and because she believed that I was a gift from God rather than a curse, she saw me just as I was and as I am now. A human being, born to be loved, not to be killed.”

Ryan Scott Bomberger, founder of The Radiance Foundation, a non-profit dedicated to educating society on the dignity of life, says that he is the one percent that progressives use to justify 100 percent of abortions.

“My biological mother was raped, yet she rejected the violence of abortion,” writes Bomberger in a piece to The Radiance Foundation. “I was adopted and loved instead. I’m not the ‘residue of the rapist,’ as Senator Vivian Davis Figures described those like me who were conceived in rape; I’m the resilience of my birthmom.”

“As an adoptee who grew up wanted and loved in a multiracial family of fifteen and as a happily married adoptive father with four children, I’m here to say there’s another side of this painful issue,” Bomberger added.
Of course the sacrifice of the unborn child is of no consequence to abortion advocates.

https://dailycaller.com/2019/05/26/a...rape-abortion/
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Abortion advocates insist that no reasonable law governing abortion must at minimum include exceptions for rape and incest. But what about the unborn children sacrificed to feed Planned Parenthood's abortion mills? Rebecca Kiessling, Patti Smith and Ryan Scott Bomberger are examples of the human cost of this policy.









Of course the sacrifice of the unborn child is of no consequence to abortion advocates.

https://dailycaller.com/2019/05/26/a...rape-abortion/
rape has nothing to do with abortion law. Due to a patient's right to privacy we don't get to know why the abortion is being performed.
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rape has nothing to do with abortion law. Due to a patient's right to privacy we don't get to know why the abortion is being performed.
Abortion advocates insist anything less than abortion on demand must have an exception for rape and incest. The OP illustrates the human cost of this policy.
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Abortion advocates insist anything less than abortion on demand must have an exception for rape and incest. The OP illustrates the human cost of this policy.
The choice of the woman.

Not all women who become pregnant through rape, abort. it is THEIR CHOICE to carry to term or not. The pregnancy was not by incident, or lack of use of contraceptives, or mindless self gratification on behalf of the woman. The pregnancy was FORCED on her.

The lack of understanding for some, mainly those without a uterus, is that the ability to CHOOSE, is exactly that - not pro abortion, but leaving the choice up to the person who was raped.

Next time you try to debate the subject, think about what it may be like for someone who was assaulted on the most basic level, and is then forced to carry the results of that event within their body AGAINST THEIR CHOICE.
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Next time you try to debate the subject, think about what it may be like for someone who was assaulted on the most basic level, and is then forced to carry the results of that event within their body AGAINST THEIR CHOICE.
Abortion for whatever reason is still murder. To save the mother's life in the event of something wrong with the delivery, to abort a conceived baby after a rape, or for convenience of the mother after having sex, and then deciding the baby is going to be in the way. I don't understand why some people think the rape victim has the obligation to carry an unwanted and unplanned baby, though. And then, after the culprit has served his time, he demands visitation rights if he is ordered to pay child support, and the woman's family has no say in the matter, along with the mother of the baby, even going so far as to file for complete custody of the baby in some cases. All this is some sort of insanity that seems okay with the average person.

I say abort the baby at first sign of conception, no hesitation, no hems and haws, just get the baby removed.
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Abortion for whatever reason is still murder. To save the mother's life in the event of something wrong with the delivery, to abort a conceived baby after a rape, or for convenience of the mother after having sex, and then deciding the baby is going to be in the way. I don't understand why some people think the rape victim has the obligation to carry an unwanted and unplanned baby, though. And then, after the culprit has served his time, he demands visitation rights if he is ordered to pay child support, and the woman's family has no say in the matter, along with the mother of the baby, even going so far as to file for complete custody of the baby in some cases. All this is some sort of insanity that seems okay with the average person.

I say abort the baby at first sign of conception, no hesitation, no hems and haws, just get the baby removed.
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You contradict yourself?
Because I say abortion is murder, and get rid of the baby, in the same post? I say whatever people call it, "choice", "a woman's right", et cetera, the opposite of life for the baby is murder of the baby, or if you are queasy, termination of the baby's growth and life inside the mother. Would you carry a rapist's baby inside of you? I wouldn't. If it makes people comfortable saying I contradict myself, it's okay with me. A victim of a rape should not be required to preserve and carry to term an unwanted human life inside of her. Maybe transplant the baby into a willing surrogate, and give up all rights and interest in the baby. I don't know.

If you also prefer, I don't believe in abortion on demand (the whim of the woman).

It is the same old life boat scenario, in a different setting, with different options.

Murder is the intentional taking of innocent life, by the way. I cannot be more clear on the subject.
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yes. exactly

the counter point usually has to do with the emotional pain/reminder of the rape woman must endure/relive for 9 months... and after delivery.
there's no way i'd minimize this. But at the same time i won't minimize the action of abortion as killing the child, who is just as innocent.
...2 wrongs...
But what's worse, rape or murder?
Is emotional pain for 9 months worth killing for? Is severe emotional pain a valid reason for murder?
that's what it comes down to.
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Not to mention whether or not an abortion fixes or minimizes the emotional pain of rape.
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Not to mention whether or not an abortion fixes or minimizes the emotional pain of rape.
It may not 'fix' the mental and emotional pain, but it reduces the constant reminder. It would be like pinning up the police report of what happened on the wall for 18 years.

While some women are able to move past it to a functional extent, not all women can. It is something they have to decide.

The other alternative, if they believe they can deal with it, is adoption. The emotional strain for someone who was not raped during the adoption planning, can be overwhelming, so add that to the trauma of the rape. Some women can do it, and kudos to them for it. For those that can't handle it, at least they have that option.
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