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It may not 'fix' the mental and emotional pain, but it reduces the constant reminder. It would be like pinning up the police report of what happened on the wall for 18 years.

While some women are able to move past it to a functional extent, not all women can. It is something they have to decide.

The other alternative, if they believe they can deal with it, is adoption. The emotional strain for someone who was not raped during the adoption planning, can be overwhelming, so add that to the trauma of the rape. Some women can do it, and kudos to them for it. For those that can't handle it, at least they have that option.
Not a word about taking the life of an unborn child. They cannot vote or March in protests or demand judicial rights. As shown in the OP the children of rape victims want to live but that is of no concern to the contemporary Eugenists dedicated to the liquidation of as many unborn children as subhuman clumps of cells.
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Not a word about taking the life of an unborn child. They cannot vote or March in protests or demand judicial rights. As shown in the OP the children of rape victims want to live but that is of no concern to the contemporary Eugenists dedicated to the liquidation of as many unborn children as subhuman clumps of cells.
The thing is, there are rapists who insist they have rights to the baby, and there are judges stupid enough to award them those rights. I say if a woman is going to carry a rapist's baby, the thread of "fatherhood" needs to be removed permanently, either through death for the father preferably, or through unbendable law.

I also say if a rape victim becomes pregnant because of the rape, and she so wishes, she should have the conceived baby terminated, killed, aborted, whatever words she wants to use.

Of course every person already born is glad he was not aborted. That is a 99.99 percent given.
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The choice of the woman.

Not all women who become pregnant through rape, abort. it is THEIR CHOICE to carry to term or not. The pregnancy was not by incident, or lack of use of contraceptives, or mindless self gratification on behalf of the woman. The pregnancy was FORCED on her.

The lack of understanding for some, mainly those without a uterus, is that the ability to CHOOSE, is exactly that - not pro abortion, but leaving the choice up to the person who was raped.

Next time you try to debate the subject, think about what it may be like for someone who was assaulted on the most basic level, and is then forced to carry the results of that event within their body AGAINST THEIR CHOICE.
Your right GG! To bear the child of a rapist would be too hard for a lot of women psychologically, I would think. Like you said, she didn't want it or ask for it. She was forcibly raped once, that is enough.
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As i said
"the counter point usually has to do with the emotional pain/reminder of the rape woman must endure/relive for 9 months... and after delivery...."

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It may not 'fix' the mental and emotional pain, but it reduces the constant reminder. It would be like pinning up the police report of what happened on the wall for 18 years.
While some women are able to move past it to a functional extent, not all women can. It is something they have to decide.
The other alternative, if they believe they can deal with it, is adoption. The emotional strain for someone who was not raped during the adoption planning, can be overwhelming, so add that to the trauma of the rape. Some women can do it, and kudos to them for it. For those that can't handle it, at least they have that option.
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Your right GG! To bear the child of a rapist would be too hard for a lot of women psychologically, I would think. Like you said, she didn't want it or ask for it. She was forcibly raped once, that is enough.

there's no way i'd minimize this.
But at the same time i won't minimize the action of abortion as killing the child, who is just as innocent.
...2 wrongs...
But what's worse, rape or murder?
Is emotional pain for 9 months worth killing for?
Is severe emotional pain a valid reason to murder an innocent child?
that's what it comes down to.

even if folks want to ignore the point
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"the counter point usually has to do with the emotional pain/reminder of the rape woman must endure/relive for 9 months... and after delivery...."





there's no way i'd minimize this.
But at the same time i won't minimize the action of abortion as killing the child, who is just as innocent.
...2 wrongs...
But what's worse, rape or murder?
Is emotional pain for 9 months worth killing for?
Is severe emotional pain a valid reason to murder an innocent child?
that's what it comes down to.

even if folks want to ignore the point
If the victim chooses, the baby can either be terminated, or she can undergo an attempt to get a surrogate to support the pregnancy, with the victim losing all rights to the baby.

How about you? If you could carry a baby and have him delivered through a C-section, would you choose that for yourself, after you were raped? Don't bring in impossibilities for the moment. The magic word is "IF".
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If the victim chooses, the baby can either be terminated, or she can undergo an attempt to get a surrogate to support the pregnancy, with the victim losing all rights to the baby.

How about you? If you could carry a baby and have him delivered through a C-section, would you choose that for yourself, after you were raped? Don't bring in impossibilities for the moment. The magic word is "IF".
IF...
I don't think I could seriously bring myself to kill the kid. It's a kid.
I'd probably give him/her up for adoption.
I might kill the rapist, ...but not the kid.

I'm acquainted with a young lady who kept the baby after a rape. the daughter of someone I've worked with at church. She and her parents (the grandparents) love the child in spite of the rape. Emotions are complicated and people have more capacity to deal with terrible events positively than we sometimes give them credit for.

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Kathleen DeZeeuw, the mother of a child conceived in rape, spoke out against pro-choicers who were making the argument that abortion must be legal in cases of rape:
I, having lived through rape, and also having raised a child ‘conceived in rape’, feel personally assaulted and insulted every time I hear that abortion should be legal because of rape and incest. I feel that we’re being used to further the abortion issue, even though we’ve not been asked to tell our side of the story. (1)
How should people respond to a woman who has been raped and is considering abortion? DeZeeuw says:
As I stated before, a woman is most vulnerable at a time such as this, and doesn’t need to be pounced on by yet another act of violence. She needs someone to truly listen to her, care for her, and give her time to heal. (2)

DeZeeuw claims that many times, rape victims are pressured into having abortions by those around them. People are often very uncomfortable around a rape victim. They don’t know how to deal with her trauma, they don’t know how to comfort her, and many times they wish the problem would just go away, that she would “get over” it. These feelings are exacerbated when the rape victim is pregnant. When they say that a rape victim is constantly reminded of the assault by her pregnancy, they are actually saying that they themselves are constantly reminded of the assault by seeing her pregnant. While it is true that being pregnant after rape is very traumatic, rape victims who have kept their children often say that they wish the people around them had been more supportive.

Statistics about rape victims and abortion are surprising to many people. There have been two studies done about pregnant rape victims. In each study, 70% of the women chose to keep their babies. This defies the stereotype that all raped women want abortions. According to the two doctors who conducted one study, Sandra Kathleen Mahkorn, M.D. and William V. Dolan, M.D.:
[This study indicates] that pregnancy need not impede the victim’s resolution of the trauma; rather, with loving support, nonjudgemental attitudes, and empathic communication, healthy emotional and psychological responses are possible despite the added burden or pregnancy. (3)

The second study, conducted in 2000, revealed that 78% of the 30% of women who had abortions after their rapes felt that they’d made the wrong decision and said that “abortion is not the answer for women who were raped.” In contrast, not a single one of the 70% who had their children regretted it. Some of these women had given up their babies for adoption, and some of them had kept their babies – but the unifying factor among all of them was that none of them regretted giving birth.

The statistics seem counter intuitive and almost impossible to believe. But they are true. Women who have their babies often have a better psychological outcome than women who do not. One woman who had an abortion after her rape spoke at a pro-life rally in Mississippi. Here is an excerpt from her testimony:
I was raped a month before I turned 18. And because of that rape I was so fearful and so shameful that I chose abortion, out of fear. My rape was nothing compared to what I did to my child. What my rapist did to me does not compare to what I chose to do to my baby. My rapist didn’t kill me, I’m standing here alive right now. I have three beautiful children at home and a husband who loves me. But I chose to kill my child out of the shame, out of guilt, out of fear because of what a man did to me. Rape is no excuse for abortion. I want to say that. … I’m tired, as a person who was raped and a person who had an abortion, I’m telling you right now, I’m tired of using rape as an excuse. … For years I lived in depression, contemplated suicide, attempted suicide, I spend years drinking to numb the pain, to numb the horrific nightmares, was later diagnosed with post traumatic stress disorder, not just because of the rape but because of the abortion. We have got to speak up, it’s not just about the babies, it’s about the moms like me who think they’re making a good decision but they’re not...
https://www.lifesitenews.com/opinion...ce-stereotypes
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Abortion advocates insist that no reasonable law governing abortion must at minimum include exceptions for rape and incest. But what about the unborn children sacrificed to feed Planned Parenthood's abortion mills? Rebecca Kiessling, Patti Smith and Ryan Scott Bomberger are examples of the human cost of this policy.
Citing someone's opinion about a crime that they were never a victim of is really digging from the bottom of the barrel. It's basically saying "F" the victims of rape because we don't care about them.

What do the women, the actual victims of rape, have to say about this?

We can also look at the other side of this ignorant argument being made. We haven't heard one word of objection to abortion coming any aborted fetus. They don't object and their opinion is more valuable that some white-ass male politicians.

The woman is the only person with Constitutional protections of her rights involved in the abortion issue. White men sitting in positions of power don't have a valid opinion because they never get pregnant and never have to make the decision that women make when it comes to having a baby or obtaining abortion. They have no right to deny the woman her rights as a person to controlling what happens with her body.
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I'm acquainted with a young lady who kept the baby after a rape. the daughter of someone I've worked with at church. She and her parents (the grandparents) love the child in spite of the rape. Emotions are complicated and people have more capacity to deal with terrible events positively than we sometimes give them credit for.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5d6KCx2qSFw
This is a Pro-Choice argument. The woman had the "Right to Choose" if she wanted an abortion or not.
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Not a word about taking the life of an unborn child. They cannot vote or March in protests or demand judicial rights. As shown in the OP the children of rape victims want to live but that is of no concern to the contemporary Eugenists dedicated to the liquidation of as many unborn children as subhuman clumps of cells.
Your lack of understanding or empathy for the person who suffered through the original violation is profound.

Considering you would not experience the event, and hopefully never experience it even third or fourth person, you cannot comprehend the agony of trying to make such a decision.

Your attempt at trying to make it as though the fetus consciously makes a choice that they 'want to live' is a prime example of trying to make something insentient, have emotions and understanding.

Blessed are the women who were strong enough to carry a child of rape, and blessed are those who could not.
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