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Somehow missed this back in January.
Fascinating poll, and validates the way I have perceived things moving in the last few years regarding abortion.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/ar...on_139205.html
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The people are aware that the original intent of the SCOTUS ruling was to make Abortions "safe and rare." It has devolved to a cash cow where neither is true.

Along with an understanding via modern science, that is why the public sentiment has changed. But white male and other elitist judges still dominate the debate, just as they did in 1977. Public sentiment is currently ignored. There will be well funded, well positioned, well armed efforts to maintain the bloody status quo.

The Nazis methodically killed six million Jews. They also murdered millions of "imbeciles" and undesirables. It only stopped when that government was ousted. It may well take that kind of effort to stop the carnage against the innocents, here in America.
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Somehow missed this back in January.
Fascinating poll, and validates the way I have perceived things moving in the last few years regarding abortion.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/ar...on_139205.html
just allow womens doctors to prescribe it if necessary ; let a doctor do his/her job. that;s all we wanted and still want. blue law states often interfered with a proper diagnosis and that is where the trouble began.
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just allow womens doctors to prescribe it if necessary ; let a doctor do his/her job. that;s all we wanted and still want. blue law states often interfered with a proper diagnosis and that is where the trouble began.
The doctor's job is to first do no harm, that includes the unborn child. We ought to take the same approach with tax subsidies for the abortion marketing arm of Planned Parenthood, they clearly promote harm to the unborn child.
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The people are aware that the original intent of the SCOTUS ruling was to make Abortions "safe and rare." It has devolved to a cash cow where neither is true.

Along with an understanding via modern science, that is why the public sentiment has changed. But white male and other elitist judges still dominate the debate, just as they did in 1977. Public sentiment is currently ignored. There will be well funded, well positioned, well armed efforts to maintain the bloody status quo.

The Nazis methodically killed six million Jews. They also murdered millions of "imbeciles" and undesirables. It only stopped when that government was ousted. It may well take that kind of effort to stop the carnage against the innocents, here in America.
The original 'pro-choice' rulings... just like the 'Homosexual marriage' ruling... was undertaken by pro-choice advocates to bypass the popular vote which they knew they could not win in most places.
And getting the foot in the door there made it legal for all states to kill babies anytime for any "health" reason. slippery slope? more like falling a off a cliff.

As far as NAZI like targets go for today's abortions, the Nixon tapes reveal what he understood what the reason was why some state's would legalized abortion.
Richard Nixon: "...certainly in Michigan they'll vote for it becasue they think what's going to be aborted are the little black bastards."
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The original 'pro-choice' rulings... just like the 'Homosexual marriage' ruling... was undertaken by pro-choice advocates to bypass the popular vote which they knew they could not win in most places.
And getting the foot in the door there made it legal for all states to kill babies anytime for any "health" reason. slippery slope? more like falling a off a cliff.

As far as NAZI like targets go for today's abortions, the Nixon tapes reveal what he understood what the reason was why some state's would legalized abortion.
Richard Nixon: "...certainly in Michigan they'll vote for it becasue they think what's going to be aborted are the little black bastards."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZXap-OtDvVc
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As far as NAZI like targets go for today's abortions, the Nixon tapes reveal what he understood what the reason was why some state's would legalized abortion.
Richard Nixon: "...certainly in Michigan they'll vote for it becasue they think what's going to be aborted are the little black bastards."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZXap-OtDvVc
And unfortunately, "they" were right...

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[SOURCE: Michigan Department of Health & Human Services, "Induced Abortions in Michigan: January 1 through December 31, 2017," May 2018]

Black women had 12,789 of the 25,757 abortions performed on Michigan residents in 2017. (Of the total 26,594 reported abortions in Michigan in 2017, 837 were performed on non-residents and 25,757 were performed on residents.)

While Black women make up only about 14% of Michigan’s female population, they had 50.6% of all abortions reported in the state in 2017.

96.2% of Black women having abortions are not married.
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Abortion on demand is likely here to stay. The issue is when should the forming fetus be considered a person. One would think reasonable people could come to agreement on when that is.

Anyone who has been pregnant, or lived with a pregnant woman knows that the last three months are the worst for the woman but he best for the viable fetus. The first three months are just uncomfortable with morning sickness and a few changes in metabolism for mom. It is also the least development for the fetus.

So a clear headed decision to abort can be made in the first two months when there is no heartbeat or viability.


But fully formed babies have marketable parts. Zygotes and 60 day fetuses do not. So it is about the money more than the woman's right to chose
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just allow womens doctors to prescribe it if necessary ; let a doctor do his/her job. that;s all we wanted and still want. blue law states often interfered with a proper diagnosis and that is where the trouble began.
I'm not sure what that means exactly. Are you saying you are pro-abortion only when 'prescribed' by a doctor?
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The people are aware that the original intent of the SCOTUS ruling was to make Abortions "safe and rare."
How do you justify this claim?
There is nothing in the ruling that I know which establishes this "intent".


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Along with an understanding via modern science, that is why the public sentiment has changed.

No.
https://news.gallup.com/poll/1576/abortion.aspx
Look at the site above and you can clearly see that despite minor fluctuations, the opinions have essentially held consistent since the 1970's.
Between 1976 and 2018
3% decrease in how many want it illegal in all circumstances.
7% increase in how many want it legal in any circumstance.
4% decrease in how many want it legal only under certain circumstances.


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But white male and other elitist judges still dominate the debate, just as they did in 1977. Public sentiment is currently ignored. There will be well funded, well positioned, well armed efforts to maintain the bloody status quo.
Just like it is on gun control...
#sarcasm

The reality is that right-wingers spend too much time on unconstitutional restrictions to shut down abortion clinics. They inevitably get overturned.
That is a real example of "public sentiment is currently ignored".


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The Nazis methodically killed six million Jews. They also murdered millions of "imbeciles" and undesirables. It only stopped when that government was ousted. It may well take that kind of effort to stop the carnage against the innocents, here in America.
The vast majority want some form of legalized abortion.
You just get finished talking about how public sentiment is ignored, and then you turn around and talk about revolution? Presumably to cater to the minority opinion for illegal abortion?

If only you had voiced that nonsense acknowledging the irony of your statements...
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