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11-year-old arrested after refusing to stand for Pledge of Allegiance

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An 11-year-old student was arrested after refusing to stand for the Pledge of Allegiance and allegedly telling a teacher that “the flag is racist and the national anthem is offensive to black people,” according to reports.

The boy, a student at Lawton Chiles Middle Academy in Lakeland, Fla., was charged with disrupting a school function and resisting arrest without violence for the Feb. 4 outburst, according to Bay News 9.

He was also issued a three-day suspension.

His mother, Dhakira Talbot, said officials took things too far by arresting her son, who she said is in gifted classes and has been bullied in the past.

“My son has never been through anything like this. I feel like this should’ve been handled differently,” she said. “If any disciplinary action should’ve been taken, it should’ve been with the school. He shouldn’t have been arrested.”

The classroom kerfuffle happened when a substitute teacher, Ana Alvarez, ordered the boy to stand for the Pledge of Allegiance.

When he told her he believed the flag was racist and the anthem was offensive, Alvarez asked him “why if it was so bad here he did not go to another place to live,” the teacher said in a statement to the school district.

The teacher said he replied, “they brought me here.”

Alvarez then told him, “Well you can always go back, because I came here from Cuba and the day I feel I’m not welcome here anymore I would find another place to live.”

She said she resorted to calling the main office “because I did not want to continue dealing with him.”

The student also allegedly called school leaders racist, threatened to get the school resource officer and principal fired and beat up Alvarez, according to an arrest affidavit.

He denied threatening to beat the teacher in an interview with Bay News 9 with his mother.

Polk County Public Schools spokesman Kyle Kennedy insisted that the boy was not arrested for failing to stand for the pledge.

“Students are not required to participate in the Pledge of Allegiance,” he told The Ledger.

The sixth-grader was collared “after becoming disruptive and refusing to follow repeated instructions by school staff and law enforcement,” he added.

Kennedy said he couldn’t discuss the boy’s discipline. Alvarez will no longer work as a substitute teacher in Polk County, he said.

“Our HR department will contact Kelly Services, which provides our substitutes, to further refine how our substitutes are trained,” Kennedy said.
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here it is in local paper

https://www.clickorlando.com/news/11...-of-allegiance
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hmm ... well, if the kid got completely out of control I can see how it's possible. We have to remember that minors get arrested all the time and taken to juvenile detention, often for out-of-control behavior, and I've heard of it happening in a school. This probably wouldn't have even made the news except that it happened in context of the kids saying the pledge of allegiance which made it a political topic too. That said, I doubt anyone likes the idea of an 11 year old kid being put under arrest.
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hmm ... well, if the kid got completely out of control I can see how it's possible. We have to remember that minors get arrested all the time and taken to juvenile detention, often for out-of-control behavior, and I've heard of it happening in a school. This probably wouldn't have even made the news except that it happened in context of the kids saying the pledge of allegiance which made it a political topic too. That said, I doubt anyone likes the idea of an 11 year old kid being put under arrest.
The sub teach sounds a bit stupid too. She should have just let him sit.
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Of course its hard to believe.Because that is not why he was arrested. The kid acted out of control, refused to do what he was told and made threats of violence.
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Of course its hard to believe.Because that is not why he was arrested. The kid acted out of control, refused to do what he was told and made threats of violence.
Exactly...I was just going there...

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She said she resorted to calling the main office “because I did not want to continue dealing with him.”

The student also allegedly called school leaders racist, threatened to get the school resource officer and principal fired and beat up Alvarez, according to an arrest affidavit.

He denied threatening to beat the teacher in an interview with Bay News 9 with his mother.

Polk County Public Schools spokesman Kyle Kennedy insisted that the boy was not arrested for failing to stand for the pledge.

“Students are not required to participate in the Pledge of Allegiance,” he told The Ledger.

The sixth-grader was collared “after becoming disruptive and refusing to follow repeated instructions by school staff and law enforcement,”
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Exactly...I was just going there...
But that doesn't work well to advance the narrative that right wingers are forcing 11 yr old's to stand for the pledge, against their will and then separating them from their parents by arresting them, just like they do on the border. And as usual, those that are intellectually most susceptible to fall for this type of leading headline, are the ones falling for it.
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Well this thread was debunked fast. Reminds me of the Jussie Smollett case. Rush to judgement and worry 'bout facts later.
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Exactly...I was just going there...
instructions to do what stand for the flag? or was he so incensed by the ******* sub teach he was acting out?
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Are public school students required to recite the Pledge of Allegiance?

No, public school students may not be compelled to recite the Pledge of Allegiance. In its 1943 decision West Virginia Board of Education v. Barnette, the U.S. Supreme Court determined that the First Amendment protects a student’s right not to engage in certain speech. The First Amendment generally prohibits the government from punishing people for engaging in certain speech. In Barnette, the high court extended the reach of the First Amendment to also prohibit the government from compelling speech.

The high court determined that a group of Jehovah’s Witnesses, who objected to the flag salute and mandatory pledge recitation for religious reasons, could not be forced to participate.

In oft-quoted language, Justice Robert Jackson wrote: “If there is any fixed star in our constitutional constellation, it is that no official, high or petty, can prescribe what shall be orthodox in politics, nationalism, religion, or other matters of opinion or force citizens to confess by word or act their faith therein.”

Category: Freedom of Speech
https://www.freedomforuminstitute.or...giance/http://

https://nypost.com/2019/02/17/11-yea...of-allegiance/ article says the child was disruptive and the teacher handled it poorly so lost her job.


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Whatever flag they offer
Never hint at what you really feel
Teach the children quietly
For some day sons and daughters
Will rise up and fight while we stand still
I've always considered myself a loyal American but the more I read about the history of our nation I'm not sure.
But we try and so far allow people to dissent and Keep and bear arms in case the Government gets (to) tyrannical. We have changed to be more inclusive to those who once didn't have the same rights and the majority. People from all over still want to come here. I sure wouldn't want to live in most other nations in the world. Most that now are (in my opinion) good the USA has bailed them out (some more than once).


Note the song also says:
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Just inside the doorway
Also Note: The song was banned by the BBChttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silent...gerous_Ground)

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