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Old 02-05-2019, 09:46 AM
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Pro Abortion Governor Northam is now struggling desperately to reach full term. I cannot help but see the irony.
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the baptist blue law mentality brought this on
if science based doctoring was not interfered with with, women would not have been in danger.

money got involved on both sides and the abortion clinic money started winning.
of course we never solve a problem logically in this country or at least very few.
Once again you make no sense. Baptist blue law?
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Old 02-06-2019, 10:30 PM
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Once again you make no sense. Baptist blue law?
not actually part of the law but part of the mentality where it does exist is that the church knows best what you can buy on Sunday
where they have such strict doctrine throughout the state as they did in Tex when abortion came to the forefront, every aspect of your life is ruled by it unless you don't ever do anything. even then
church knows best, you feel guilty because your family and friends grew up with this strict code...etc

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_law#United_States

in tex it was so strict and weird you could by a hammer but not nailsthat sort of thing
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Sorry pal but your entire argument is flawed by the consistent pro abortion stance that the fetus is not a person until it is born. Once "born" it is a person with a Constitutional "right to Life , Liberty , and the Pursuit of Happiness" or it isn't. The Pediatric Doctor turned politician claimed resuscitation would be performed making it a live birth. Your proposed concept is therefore a strawman null.
As this statement clearly points out this is addressing a person after the birth of the child and has nothing to do with a fetus in the womb. Abortion only relates to fetus in the womb.

The story doesn't include information on when the birth occurs but it's arguably prior to natural viability because if the child was viable at birth it could breath and survive on it's own without resuscitation or other forms of medical interventionism. Care and feeding by a willing guardian would have been all that's required.

The "right to life" does not provide any protections related to death from natural causes. No one would harm the child, especially a responsible doctor. The first rule of medicine is "cause no harm" and no intentional harm would be inflicted upon the child. The child would merely be left to live or die based upon nature.

Everyone, or their guardian, has the right to make an informed decision to accept or reject medical treatment recommended by their doctor. If the child is not breathing at birth the doctor would automatically choose to resuscitate that child pending a discussion with the mother as to whether the resuscitation should continue.

Would you choose otherwise?

There was a case last year where a pregnant woman was informed she had cancer but if treated for the cancer it would result in the death of the fetus. The doctor recommended an abortion and treatment for the woman that save her life. It was a sad story with a no-win solution and she decided to forego her treatment and have the baby against the recommendations of her doctor. Her "right to life" was not forced upon her where the abortion would have been mandatory to save her life. Should she have been forced to save her life by having the abortion and forced cancer treatment?

It was a horrible decision she had to make but no one forced medical treatment upon her to prevent her death from natural causes.
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Appropriately this is from the website Hot Air because the entire piece is Hot Air.


First of all this is completely unrelated to abortion.

This is dealing with a baby after birth and not with a fetus in the womb.

If the baby isn't breathing it will die of natural cause if not resuscitated. If resuscitation is begun and then terminated the baby will die of natural causes.

When my mother was in her nineties she granted me medical power of attorney and in that power of attorney it included the medical instructions was that medical services that gave her comfort were allowed but no attempts were to be made if she stopped breathing or if her heart stopped or any other medical procedure necessary to prevent her from dying of natural causes. This is a decision for adults to make.

That same question often arises when a person goes into a coma perhaps from a car accident. Those with the legal authority to make medical decisions often have to make the decision to remove the person from life support.

That decision for the infant is made by the mother that's the legal guardian of the infant. Should medical procedures be used to prevent the infant from dying off natural causes? The mother, hopefully in consultation with her doctor, has the legal authority and right to make that decision.

Murder isn't involved and it would be illegal for them to take the infant's life.


A noted at the beginning this isn't an issue related to abortion because the child has already been born at the time the decision is made on whether to attempt to prevent death by natural causes or the allow the infant to die of natural causes. No crime is committed or can be alleged related to death by natural causes.

Anti-abortionists can't even put up a good argument against what the law allows because it doesn't relate to abortion and it's about an infant possibly dying of natural causes.
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The above is just another feeble attempt to justify murder of unwanted babies. Trying to compare a person close to death to a newborn baby is sickening. From where, in the name of Allah's butthole, did a mother gain the authority to withhold help for a newborn baby?

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The above is just another feeble attempt to justify murder of unwanted babies. Trying to compare a person close to death to a newborn baby is sickening. From where, in the name of Allah's butthole, did a mother gain the authority to withhold help for a newborn baby?
In most states, it is a crime to ignore a baby to the point where it dies. Child endangerment and child neglect are a couple of charges that I can think of off the top of my head.
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Red ink mine

The above is just another feeble attempt to justify murder of unwanted babies. Trying to compare a person close to death to a newborn baby is sickening. From where, in the name of Allah's butthole, did a mother gain the authority to withhold help for a newborn baby?
Yet, Illinois state Senator Barack Obama argued that babies who survived botched abortions should be Left unattended to die.

This is how the Democrats Eugenics policy develops. Initially it was abortion limited to the first trimester. Then, it creeps out to late term. Then post delivery. Keep infanticide safe and legal.
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What would the left say if Republicans adopted the Muslim stance on abortion, and said "No abortion after 12 weeks"?
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This is how the Democrats Eugenics policy develops. Initially it was abortion limited to the first trimester. Then, it creeps out to late term. Then post delivery.
And then people who wear MAGA hats...
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