Political Wrinkles  

Go Back   Political Wrinkles > Political Forums > Civil Rights & Abortion
Register FAQDonate PW Store PW Trivia Members List Calendar Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read

Civil Rights & Abortion Discuss Supreme Court says warrant necessary for phone location data in win for privacy at the Political Forums; Originally Posted by foundit66 https://www.cnet.com/news/supreme-co...location-data/ The deciding opinions were Roberts, Kagan, Sotomayor, Ginsburg, and Breyer. (i.e. the liberals, plus Roberts). ...

Reply
 
Share LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
  #11 (permalink)  
Old 06-24-2018, 10:31 AM
Bat Bat is offline
Hinged
 
Join Date: Jan 2016
Posts: 1,755
Thanks: 72
Thanked 1,171 Times in 710 Posts
Default Re: Supreme Court says warrant necessary for phone location data in win for privacy

Quote:
Originally Posted by foundit66 View Post
https://www.cnet.com/news/supreme-co...location-data/

The deciding opinions were Roberts, Kagan, Sotomayor, Ginsburg, and Breyer. (i.e. the liberals, plus Roberts).
It's sad that it actually takes a court ruling to establish something this obvious.
Kind of crazy that this case went as far as the Supreme Court.
Dude was guilty as one could be. He only got convicted because of proof obtained from his cell phone. Information obtained by violating the 4th amendment,
Quote:
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.
I find it amazing that the decision wasn't 9-0 instead of 5-4 despite the fact that the dude was guilty as home made sin.
Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to Bat For This Useful Post:
  #12 (permalink)  
Old 06-24-2018, 01:27 PM
foundit66's Avatar
Moderator
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: California
Gender: Male
Posts: 25,611
Thanks: 10,110
Thanked 15,289 Times in 9,269 Posts
Post Re: Supreme Court says warrant necessary for phone location data in win for privacy

Quote:
Originally Posted by foundit66 View Post
a huge win for conservatism?
It was the liberals who made this court ruling possible.
All but one conservative voted against this ruling.
But you think it a huge win for conservatism?
Quote:
Originally Posted by Joe Shoe View Post
Oh. By all means an editorial somehow trumps the reality of the actual vote where every conservative but Roberts voted against privacy...


The only real candidate in the last presidential election who was going to do something real about the government's routine intrusions on privacy was Bernie Sanders, a Democrat.

Plus, once again did you even bother to read your article?
Your article repeatedly states privacy is something liberals champion.
Your article claims conservatives are finally catching up. But this SCOTUS vote helps put that lie to bed...
Privacy used to be the exclusive realm of libertarians and the left, but the world that Edward Snowden unmasked has propelled conservatives to push forward on privacy.
Whatever "push forward" the author thinks is occurring is not realistic...


Quote:
Originally Posted by Bat View Post
Kind of crazy that this case went as far as the Supreme Court.
Dude was guilty as one could be. He only got convicted because of proof obtained from his cell phone. Information obtained by violating the 4th amendment,
I find it amazing that the decision wasn't 9-0 instead of 5-4 despite the fact that the dude was guilty as home made sin.
A major reason it had to go that far is how pervasive this type of governmental intrusion is in our United States. This wasn't an isolated case. In fact, there's a long history of the telecomm's selling consumer data to the government and this case was only one aspect of that.
__________________
“Labor is prior to, and independent of, capital. Capital is only the fruit of labor, and could never have existed if labor had not first existed. Labor is the superior of capital, and deserves much the higher consideration.”
~Abraham Lincoln
Reply With Quote
  #13 (permalink)  
Old 06-24-2018, 05:14 PM
Joe Shoe's Avatar
PW Enlightenment
 
Join Date: Nov 2011
Posts: 5,218
Thanks: 822
Thanked 1,589 Times in 1,079 Posts
Default Re: Supreme Court says warrant necessary for phone location data in win for privacy

Quote:
Originally Posted by foundit66 View Post
Oh. By all means an editorial somehow trumps the reality of the actual vote where every conservative but Roberts voted against privacy...

The vote doesn't prove squat that when it comes to your assertion that privacy isn't a conservative value.

The only real candidate in the last presidential election who was going to do something real about the government's routine intrusions on privacy was Bernie Sanders, a Democrat.
And the last strongest privacy advocate in EITHER party was Bob Barr, a Republican. So your point means nothing. It doesn't matter if they were Democrat or Republican; I guess I just assumed you were politically mature enough to know that conservatism and liberalism isn't defined by party status. I was wrong, apparently.

At any rate, I don't really care. It's libertarian--that's what matters most to me.

Quote:
Originally Posted by foundit66 View Post
A major reason it had to go that far is how pervasive this type of governmental intrusion is in our United States.
Glad you at least admit that here, but overly strong govt. (powerful enough to intrude too much) is typically more of a left cause, so it's odd how you're pretending to be so pro-privacy. It's fascinating to me how the left cherry-picks what they want to suddenly be against, when it comes to too much government.
__________________
What part of "shall not be infringed" do you not understand???

Last edited by Joe Shoe; 06-24-2018 at 05:30 PM..
Reply With Quote
  #14 (permalink)  
Old 06-25-2018, 10:51 AM
foundit66's Avatar
Moderator
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: California
Gender: Male
Posts: 25,611
Thanks: 10,110
Thanked 15,289 Times in 9,269 Posts
Default Re: Supreme Court says warrant necessary for phone location data in win for privacy

Quote:
Originally Posted by Joe Shoe View Post
And the last strongest privacy advocate in EITHER party was Bob Barr, a Republican. So your point means nothing.

No. The point was to demonstrate which party was putting up a real presidential candidate who would do something about governmental invasion of privacy, which demonstrates which party has solid interest in the issue.
"Bob Barr" proves absolutely nothing on that point. It's another apple v orange distraction from you.


Quote:
Originally Posted by Joe Shoe View Post
It doesn't matter if they were Democrat or Republican; I guess I just assumed you were politically mature enough to know that conservatism and liberalism isn't defined by party status. I was wrong, apparently.
And here's the ever popular Joe Shoe moving the goal-posts move...
He starts out claiming it's a win for conservatives.
I prove (even using his own link) that it's liberals who care most about privacy and suddenly he wants to back-pedal...


Quote:
Originally Posted by Joe Shoe View Post
Glad you at least admit that here, but overly strong govt. (powerful enough to intrude too much) is typically more of a left cause, so it's odd how you're pretending to be so pro-privacy.
And yet again I reference your own link which you didn't even bother to read.
Privacy used to be the exclusive realm of libertarians and the left, ...
That's YOUR LINK
And note, it's saying that Privacy used to be the EXCLUSIVE realm of libertarians and the left.
Your own author (YOUR article) is noting that it's a shift that we can no longer claim it's "exclusive". i.e. YOUR author is saying conservatives finally started caring. (How much is a different question...)

So cut the crap where you try to pretend you don't know what's going on.
__________________
“Labor is prior to, and independent of, capital. Capital is only the fruit of labor, and could never have existed if labor had not first existed. Labor is the superior of capital, and deserves much the higher consideration.”
~Abraham Lincoln

Last edited by foundit66; 06-26-2018 at 03:58 PM..
Reply With Quote
Reply

Tags
court, data, for, location, necessary, phone, privacy, says, supreme, warrant, win

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 12:57 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2019, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.

Content Relevant URLs by vBSEO 3.2.0