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The desperate sobbing of 10 Central American children, separated from their parents one day last week by immigration authorities at the border, makes for excruciating listening. Many of them sound like they’re crying so hard, they can barely breathe. They scream “Mami” and “Papá” over and over again, as if those are the only words they know.
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The baritone voice of a Border Patrol agent booms above the crying. “Well, we have an orchestra here,” he jokes. “What’s missing is a conductor.”
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Then a distraught but determined 6-year-old Salvadoran girl pleads repeatedly for someone to call her aunt. Just one call, she begs anyone who will listen. She says she’s memorized the phone number, and at one point, rattles it off to a consular representative. “My mommy says that I’ll go with my aunt,” she whimpers, “and that she’ll come to pick me up there as quickly as possible.”
i could only listen to this once. on the radio.
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Why? they are "CHILDREN!" Exactly what do they know, and what fault do they bear?

The people with whom I would like to have a conversation are their parents who brought them through over one Thousand miles of hostile lands to the American Border, and instead of crossing at a proper port of entry broke the law and crossed illegally.

Also I would like to have a conversation with those who advised them to do so when, had they entered through a legal port and declared asylum refugee status, they would not have been separated from their children.

Because, according to homeland security, that's legal.
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I think every single person on the left who plays the "but-the-children"-card should be challenged to outline how they really think the OVERALL PROBLEM of immigration should be fixed. That's the thing ... to just make an issue only of families getting separated grossly oversimplifies the problem and doesn't deal with anything in terms of real solutions.
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Why? they are "CHILDREN!" Exactly what do they know, and what fault do they bear?

The people with whom I would like to have a conversation are their parents who brought them through over one Thousand miles of hostile lands to the American Border, and instead of crossing at a proper port of entry broke the law and crossed illegally.

Also I would like to have a conversation with those who advised them to do so when, had they entered through a legal port and declared asylum refugee status, they would not have been separated from their children.

Because, according to homeland security, that's legal.
MANY OF THESE LATEST CROSSERS ARE NOT ILLEGAL: THEY PRESENT THEMSELVES TO THE BORDER PATROL AS REFUGEES.
Obama was putting families with children in holding pens and caught hell for it. he made a rule twenty day they must go to a facility designed for housing humans. under trump there is no time limit for holding pens and children are ripped from parents and kept in facilities where -as you can hear- there are no child care workers just jailers. yes they are fed and yes it is not their fault. I have heard recently no one visiting or caring for those kids is allowed to hug them. If true, that is unhealthy.
5 first ladies condemned this today. And I'm sure if Barbara Bush was alive she would join them. YOUR PRESIDENT IS DOING THIS. THIS IS HIS POLICY. HE'S TRYING TO BLACKMAIL CONGRESS INTO PASSING HIS TYPE OF BILL. That is crushing the 3 tiered government we have.

Trump is happy y'all argue over bs like this http://www.politicalwrinkles.com/new...-office-2.html
than claim uphold your rights rights under the law.

I DARE YOU to read the OP, click the link, close your eyes and listen and not weep. And not then be mad at the cruel self serving man we have as President.
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MANY OF THESE LATEST CROSSERS ARE NOT ILLEGAL: THEY PRESENT THEMSELVES TO THE BORDER PATROL AS REFUGEES.
Obama was putting families with children in holding pens and caught hell for it. he made a rule twenty day they must go to a facility designed for housing humans. under trump there is no time limit for holding pens and children are ripped from parents and kept in facilities where -as you can hear- there are no child care workers just jailers. yes they are fed and yes it is not their fault. I have heard recently no one visiting or caring for those kids is allowed to hug them. If true, that is unhealthy.
5 first ladies condemned this today. And I'm sure if Barbara Bush was alive she would join them. YOUR PRESIDENT IS DOING THIS. THIS IS HIS POLICY. HE'S TRYING TO BLACKMAIL CONGRESS INTO PASSING HIS TYPE OF BILL. That is crushing the 3 tiered government we have.

Trump is happy y'all argue over bs like this http://www.politicalwrinkles.com/new...-office-2.html
than claim uphold your rights rights under the law.

I DARE YOU to read the OP, click the link, close your eyes and listen and not weep. And not then be mad at the cruel self serving man we have as President.
No, legal crossings are only done at Ports Of Entry. Period. Surrendering to authorities upon capture is not the same.

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I think every single person on the left who plays the "but-the-children"-card should be challenged to outline how they really think the OVERALL PROBLEM of immigration should be fixed. That's the thing ... to just make an issue only of families getting separated grossly oversimplifies the problem and doesn't deal with anything in terms of real solutions.
how quickly you forget that photo op trump had with the democrats and republicans? everybody agreed on a bill then. then trump changed his mind and pressured republicans because of his 2020 ELECTION. No decent bill is going to be %100 what either party would like but they made a stab at it. But now Trump is using these kids to blackmail democrats into an all or nothing bill. that never is good for the country. when republicans were threatened by limbaugh types to be primaried and didnt show up for obama care legislative actions, that bill suffered. Let's not do that again. register your disagreement with holding kids hostage to one branch of government trying to pressure another.
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i could only listen to this once. on the radio.
I know, it's hard to believe that parents would put their children through that sort of pain because of their own selfishness to break the laws of another nation.
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No, legal crossings are only done at Ports Of Entry. Period. Surrendering to authorities upon capture is not the same.

GEEZ!
Rosa, a 63-year-old grandmother, fled her home in Cortés, Honduras with her 14-year-old granddaughter in 2016 after an MS-13 gang member tried to take the granddaughter as his wife. When Rosa initially said no to what would have been a forced marriage akin to sex slavery, gang members came to her home and threatened to burn it down, burn her alive, and kidnap her granddaughter. Rosa knew to take the threats seriously: Three years earlier, in 2013, her grandson had been disappeared by the same gang. When I asked her—we were speaking together in a frigid, echoey, two-way-mirrored private visiting room in the El Paso Processing Center (EPPC)—if she had considered going to the police, she laughed. “You can’t try to talk to them or they’ll disappear you. If you see something [she zipped her lips with a finger] you have to keep quiet.”

The day after the standoff with the gangmembers, Rosa and her granddaughter fled. Fifteen days later, on November 18, 2016, they presented themselves at the Port of Entry in El Paso and asked for asylum. The granddaughter was released to her mother (who was living in the Houston area). Rosa, meanwhile, has been in Immigrations and Customs Enforcement’s (ICE) EPPC detention center ever since—18 months and counting. (Rosa is not her real name—she recently contacted me through her lawyer, worried about being targeted upon return to Honduras, and asked that I remove any mention of her real name. Her lawyer told me that she was so nervous when he last spoke with her that she was shaking.)

During her time behind bars, Rosa passed her Credible Fear Interview, the first step in the asylum process, and was granted protective status under the Convention Against Torture by an immigration judge—but three days later the same judge changed his mind and revoked her status. She was eventually denied asylum, and she has appealed her case. In her year and a half behind bars, her health has seriously deteriorated: she has lost significant weight, developed high blood pressure, tachycardia, and severe heartburn, among a host of other medical issues. “Why are they keeping me?” Rosa asked me. “They’re keeping me like a criminal. I don’t want to be here. I want to feel the warmth of my grandchildren.”

When I asked Rosa’s attorney, Eduardo Beckett, why he thought ICE was continuing to hold her, he told me, “Cruel and unusual punishment.… I think she’s a prime example of the deterrence.” Despite mixed messaging from the Trump administration, the last year has seen the implementation of a barrage of hard-line immigration policies that, especially when taken collectively, send a stark message to potential asylum seekers: Stay away. If asylum seekers do not heed that message (many of them, like Rosa, have no other choice), they face prolonged detention, separation from their children, and humiliating, denigrating, and even inhumane conditions as they make their case for protective status.
https://www.thenation.com/article/ic...ace-of-refuge/
By all national and international legal standards, seeking asylum is a lawful act, and asylum seekers should not be punished or detained for doing so. According to an analysis conducted by Yale Law School’s Human Rights Clinic, “administrative detention of asylum seekers beyond the time necessary to establish identity is an impermissible penalty under the Refugee Convention, except in the rare situations in which there are compelling reasons of safety or flight risk.”
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No, legal crossings are only done at Ports Of Entry. Period. Surrendering to authorities upon capture is not the same.

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see my last post

also note we are not taking asylum seekers much anymore:

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/12/u...co-border.html
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