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Old 06-06-2018, 08:12 AM
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No. It's nothing like that.
It's about fighting smarter. Not fighting "harder".
It's about implementing a successful method to lower abortion as opposed to implementing a method you want to lower abortion but actually doesn't have that effect.
You're right. Planned Parenthood has killed far more than 6 million. They make Hitler look like a saint.

If we really wanted to lower abortion rates, we wouldn't be passing out birth control like candy, essentially condoning sex outside of marriage. If you want to cut down on abortion, bring moralities back into the community. Quit kicking God and morals to the curb in our schools. Stop entitlement spending and the policies that promote single parent households.

You cannot lower the abortion rate until the act that causes the pregnancy is dealt with on a moral basis.
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You're right. Planned Parenthood has killed far more than 6 million. They make Hitler look like a saint.
If we really wanted to lower abortion rates, we wouldn't be passing out birth control like candy, essentially condoning sex outside of marriage. If you want to cut down on abortion, bring moralities back into the community. Quit kicking God and morals to the curb in our schools. Stop entitlement spending and the policies that promote single parent households.
You cannot lower the abortion rate until the act that causes the pregnancy is dealt with on a moral basis.
These are empty desires with no real means of actualizing them.
It "sounds good" on paper, but there is no way to actually implement or achieve that.

It would be like proclaiming that we should have a plan to make the Nazis moral so they stop killing the Jews. The nazis should turn themselves in.
And worse, refusing to do anything which could actually save Jew lives while you insist that the Nazis must magically become moral.

And worse for your position, even outlawing abortion does not end or even reduce it.
Abortion rates go down when countries make it legal: report
Legal or Not, Abortion Rates Compare
MAKING ABORTION ILLEGAL DOES NOT REDUCE NUMBER OF WOMEN HAVING TERMINATIONS, STUDY CONCLUDES

It's a rational approach to look at a goal and realistically evaluate how to achieve that goal.
Instead of that, you are demanding that the goal be achieved by a method which actually hinders the goal.
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It's amusing that both articles make the same errors in ignoring what is plainly stated...
The articles fixate on the rate falling, which is plainly acknowledged in the original article.

The point is that "... the abortion rate among teenagers in the state rose 3 percent over what it would have been had the clinics remained open"
So, for example, if the rate should have decreased by 10% ...
... the actual decrease was only 7%.

Two factors here...
First off, if the defunding of Planned Parenthood were to actually have the desired effect, the rate should have decreased by more than it would have originally. The fact that it didn't should tell people something...

Second, this isn't the first study to note the negative correlation between reduced abortion access and increase in abortion.
And as I pointed out with the follow-on articles, Packham's article was not the first one to note this relationship.

Abortion rates go down when countries make it legal: report
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The OP is a wonderful of what passes for expert research in the hyperpolitical Left. Cite a study that cherry picks a demographic band then speculate about what would have happened if taxpayer dollars had continued to flow into Planned Parenthood's abortion mills. In

Even the authors of the article had to exercise a modicum of honesty by admitting that overall abortions had declined in Texas. Of course the author had to include more pro abortion speculation in a wane attempt to the inconvenient fact that undermines the headline.

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The overall abortion rate in the state dropped 14 percent between 2013 and 2016 ― but this was largely because in some low-income rural areas, like the Rio Grande Valley, women would have had to drive over 100 miles to find the nearest safe and legal abortion provider. Those women either had to seek out unsafe, do-it-yourself procedures or simply have babies they didn’t want or couldn’t afford.
That's right, somehow adolescents found their way to abortion mills at a slightly higher rate despite reduced availability while older women likely with more resources had fewer abortions out of inconvenience. That's not science, that's vapid political rhetoric.
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