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"Gov. Mary Fallin has signed Senate Bill 1140, which allows religious adoption agencies to refuse service to gay couples.

Specifically, the bill allows adoption agencies receiving state funds to still operate based on their religious beliefs, so that they don't have to violate them when working in Oklahoma's adoption system.

"Under Senate Bill 1140, the state will not be in any way restricting current practice allowing LGBTQ individuals and couples fostering or adopting. It does not ban same-sex adoption or foster care in Oklahoma," Fallin said.

"Instead, the bill will help continue Oklahoma's successful placement of children with a broad array of loving families and basically maintain the status quo by setting forth in statute practices which have successfully worked for the best interest of Oklahoma children."
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As many of us predicted awhile back, religious liberty is winning out. Slowly but surely.
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When people start treading down this path, what's the actual goal?

A person who is Jewish (or insert another non-Christian religion here) doesn't acknowledge Jesus as God and thus would be violating the Christian first commandment, right?
A < insert non-Christian religion here > adoptive family would be raising their child to actually be a sinner, but we don't hear about such demands to protect against religious discrimination.

Being anti-gay is the current popular discrimination for some Christians. And like many discriminations in the past, they try to cloak it in a pretense of religious justification.

But the reality is that we have more orphans than get adopted.
These antics to restrict perfectly good parents based on the prejudices of some are not helpful. It's just condemning more orphans to stay orphans rather than allow them to go to good homes.


And furthermore, this law is just mindless window-dressing in Oklahoma.
Oklahoma has no law which addresses sexual orientation discrimination. Ergo, it was already legal for an adoption agency to refuse service based on sexual orientation.
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But the reality is that we have more orphans than get adopted.
These antics to restrict perfectly good parents based on the prejudices of some are not helpful. It's just condemning more orphans to stay orphans rather than allow them to go to good homes.
Actually the law doesn't restrict anybody from adoption. On the contrary, by allowing religious adoption agencies to work within their religious constraints, it allows for more avenues for children to be adopted.
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Actually the law doesn't restrict anybody from adoption. On the contrary, by allowing religious adoption agencies to work within their religious constraints, it allows for more avenues for children to be adopted.
"These antics to restrict..." are a reference to any adoption agency which prevents gay parents from adopting.
If you had quoted the three sentences following what you quoted, the context that I was not inferring a state-wide ban was clear...
And furthermore, this law is just mindless window-dressing in Oklahoma.
Oklahoma has no law which addresses sexual orientation discrimination. Ergo, it was already legal for an adoption agency to refuse service based on sexual orientation.
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"These antics to restrict..." are a reference to any adoption agency which prevents gay parents from adopting.
If you had quoted the three sentences following what you quoted, the context that I was not inferring a state-wide ban was clear...
And furthermore, this law is just mindless window-dressing in Oklahoma.
Oklahoma has no law which addresses sexual orientation discrimination. Ergo, it was already legal for an adoption agency to refuse service based on sexual orientation.
As of now. My guess is that this was done to cut it off before it was attacked by the left.
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As of now. My guess is that this was done to cut it off before it was attacked by the left.
"attacked"?
Like I have stated in the past, we have protections against discrimination based on race, religion, gender, etc...
And in a LOT of those situations, you can find historical precedent where people claimed "religion" as the basis for their discrimination.

Today, some seek to add protection against discrimination based on sexual orientation. And while some Christians enjoy protection against religious discrimination, they label it as an "attack" for gays to be similarly protected...

When I see Christians repealing the laws that protect them, then I'll take these sorts of claims seriously.
Until then, the hypocrisy is obvious.
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"attacked"?
Like I have stated in the past, we have protections against discrimination based on race, religion, gender, etc...
And in a LOT of those situations, you can find historical precedent where people claimed "religion" as the basis for their discrimination.

Today, some seek to add protection against discrimination based on sexual orientation. And while some Christians enjoy protection against religious discrimination, they label it as an "attack" for gays to be similarly protected...

When I see Christians repealing the laws that protect them, then I'll take these sorts of claims seriously.
Until then, the hypocrisy is obvious.
Tell that to the bakers that were put out of business for not participating in a homosexual wedding.
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Personally I don't think gays should be allowed to adopt at all. Not a healthy environment for kids to grow up in.
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"attacked"?
Like I have stated in the past, we have protections against discrimination based on race, religion, gender, etc...
And in a LOT of those situations, you can find historical precedent where people claimed "religion" as the basis for their discrimination.

Today, some seek to add protection against discrimination based on sexual orientation. And while some Christians enjoy protection against religious discrimination, they label it as an "attack" for gays to be similarly protected...

When I see Christians repealing the laws that protect them, then I'll take these sorts of claims seriously.
Until then, the hypocrisy is obvious.
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Tell that to the bakers that were put out of business for not participating in a homosexual wedding.
Your reply leads me to think you didn't even read what I wrote...

Again, when I see serious interest from the right to revoke the protections for Christians, I'll start to think you guys are serious about the complaints.
Until then, your real complaint boils down to you being content being protected but you don't want another group which is more likely to be targeted by Christians to be protected...


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Personally I don't think gays should be allowed to adopt at all. Not a healthy environment for kids to grow up in.
Without surprise, the science proves you wrong...
To date, the consensus in the social science literature is clear: in the United States, children living with two same-sex parents fare, as well as children residing with two different-sex parents. Numerous credible and methodologically sound social science studies, including many drawing on nationally representative data, form the basis of this consensus. These studies reveal that children raised in same-sex parent families fare just, as well as children raised in different-sex parent families across a wide spectrum of child well-being measures: academic performance, cognitive development, social development, psychological health, early sexual activity, and substance abuse.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4091994/
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