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But ...if they are doing such noble work for women and "if they have nothing to hide" what's the problem?
Hudreds of hours of raw video will prove they are wonderful won't it?
These are illegal videos that have been edited to misrepresent the fact that there are costs associated with medical procedures and storage of the fetal tissue that are collected. There are no profits nor are the fetal parts "sold" for a price. It's the collection of costs imposed by the collection and distribution of the fetal tissue that's completely legal.

The SCOTUS is absolutely correct in blocking the release of illegal propaganda videos by a nefarious group that's willing to lie and violate the laws of the United States.
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These are illegal videos that have been edited to misrepresent the fact that there are costs associated with medical procedures and storage of the fetal tissue that are collected. There are no profits nor are the fetal parts "sold" for a price. It's the collection of costs imposed by the collection and distribution of the fetal tissue that's completely legal.

The SCOTUS is absolutely correct in blocking the release of illegal propaganda videos by a nefarious group that's willing to lie and violate the laws of the United States.
So how do you know if they are edited if you're not allowed see them Shiva?
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So how do you know if they are edited if you're not allowed see them Shiva?
We just have to take PP's word for it I guess.
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These are illegal videos that have been edited to misrepresent the fact that there are costs associated with medical procedures and storage of the fetal tissue that are collected. There are no profits nor are the fetal parts "sold" for a price. It's the collection of costs imposed by the collection and distribution of the fetal tissue that's completely legal.

The SCOTUS is absolutely correct in blocking the release of illegal propaganda videos by a nefarious group that's willing to lie and violate the laws of the United States.
Is there actually something known as illegal propaganda? If there is I'm not aware of it. Please cite some specifics.

These may be recordings made illegally, and as such may not be legal to disseminate. But that does not mean the video message is illegal propaganda. Nor is some nefarious group willing to lie necessarily a first amendment issue. If it was we would have no MSM, and very little internet content.
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So how do you know if they are edited if you're not allowed see them Shiva?
Can you show me any single example of where a PP "sting" situation happened where unedited videos were NOT circulated?

Again, if the people perpetuating these stunts were honest, THEY WOULD GO TO THE POLICE to prosecute claimed illegal activities.
But instead, it's straight to youtube or right-wing resources that don't care about honesty.

And then the right doesn't care about whether the actual investigation shows any wrongdoing occurring. Cause you guys are too happy with the lie.
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I have explicitly noted potential issues with personal agendas in such "leaks" in the past.
unhuh.

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And the primary problem is when the people involved DECEITFULLY EDIT THE VIDEO to create an interpretation which is repudiated by the full video release. We've seen this REPEATEDLY with the anti-Planned Parenthood crowd.
seems this is an example of "moving the goal post" that you often complain about.
You started complaining about us ignoring the illegality of secret recordings, i addressed that so NOW
you move the goal post and say the well "the PRIMARY problem is...!!!!"

but OK

The the SO-CALLED deceitfully edited footage, which was not refuted by the info shown in the fully released original footage. it was only somewhat diluted. that is the drone of the banal abortion conversations made it seems less slightly horrible. Like the boiling frog analogy. the euphemisms and obvious skirting the laws and in various ways was still clear to see to anyone WILLING to be honest.

A woman trying to sell "a message", a cool guy on the corner trying to sell "some home made 'smokes'" the guy with the gun in his belt that's "just borrowing" you're car. recorded conversations of that nature in court could be read as COMPLETELY innocent by those that WANT to believe it.
as NPR and you and other want to.
but to more realistic folks, the woman is at prostitute, the guy on the corner is a drug dealer and the guy with the gun is a theft.
but arguing with those with more Pollyanna views about the details just leads to more bizarre and vehement denials.

Like saying to a Trump supporter that Trump has been abusive to women . No matter what 2 or 3 dozen women say or even Trump says, to some Trump supporters all the woman are LYING. becasue they want something or they are leftist or some other dark motive. the imagined motives are attacked, but Trump is never to be questioned.
same with the Planned parenthood and abortion defenders.
-Hear no evil, see no evil, speak no evil-
(let the eye rolling, shockface and mad icons come forth)
But for those that are NOT completely blinded by knee jerk reactions to any criticism of Planned parenthood. here's somethings to consider From the tapes and beyond.

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Forensic Analysis: Planned Parenthood Videos Are ‘Authentic’
Kate Scanlon / September 29, 2015 / 267 comments
A forensic analysis of undercover videos about Planned Parenthood’s abortion practices are “authentic and show no evidence of manipulation or editing,” according to a report released Tuesday by Alliance Defending Freedom.
The analysis was completed by Coalfire, a digital security and forensics firm that has worked on civil and criminal investigations. The firm had access to all audio and video investigative footage recorded by the Center for Medical Progress.
“The Coalfire forensic analysis removes any doubt that the full length undercover videos released by Center for Medical Progress are authentic and have not been manipulated,” said Casey Mattox, senior counsel at Alliance Defending Freedom. “Analysts scrutinized every second of video recorded during the investigation and released by CMP to date and found only bathroom breaks and other non-pertinent footage had been removed.”
According to the report, the videos only omit footage irrelevant to the allegations such as bathroom breaks.
http://dailysignal.com/2015/09/29/fo...are-authentic/
Planned Parenthood Partner: Baby Organ Trafficking = “Financial Profits”
An advertisement from StemExpress, one of Planned Parenthood’s partners, boasts of the “financial profits” that come from harvesting and distributing body parts and organs taken from aborted unborn babies.
The advertisement, which lists the many benefits of using StemExpress to distribute harvested human organs, explicitly highlights the financial rewards that come from aborting healthy unborn babies and then harvesting their bodies for organs and other tissue.
“Easy To Implement + Financial Profits,” blares one of the main headings in the StemExpress pamphlet.
“StemExpress promotes global biomedical research while also providing a financial benefit to your clinic,” reads one excerpt from the ad. Another section from the pamphlet says that StemExpress’s program also “fiscally rewards clinics” that choose to enroll.
An official from Planned Parenthood is even directly quoted in the advertisement praising the many benefits of partnering with StemExpress.
Although the company appears to specialize in the collection and distribution of stem cells, its advertisement also explicitly refers to “raw materials” resulting from abortions — materials such as human organs, tissues, and body parts — and how their distribution can contribute to the “fiscal growth” of participating abortion clinics.
The ad references the financial benefits of harvesting human body parts at least three times.
The StemExpress marketing material was obtained by the Center for Medical Progress, a non-profit that also released damning video of a senior Planned Parenthood official trying to sell body parts taken from aborted babies. In the video, the official brags about how she aborts babies in such a way that their body parts can be harvested and later sold.
the videos SHOW Planned parenthood reps, service people and biz partners
(1) selling fetal tissue... for profit... (which is illegal)
(2) Change abortion proceeders to get tissues in tact....without patients consent. (which is also illegal)
(3) Simply doing horrific $#%+

Lets start with number 2 the Videos shows one woman saying
"We’ve been very good at getting heart, lung, liver, because we know that, so I’m not gonna crush that part, I’m gonna basically crush below, I’m gonna crush above, and I’m gonna see if I can get it all intact.”...“I’d say a lot of people want liver. And for that reason, most providers will do this case under ultrasound guidance, so they’ll know where they’re putting their forceps"....“The kind of rate-limiting step of the procedure is calvarium. Calvarium—the head—is basically the biggest part. …"


So how is that NOT changing abortion proceeders.. FOR THE REASON of getting various parts for sale "reimbursement"?
ADD to that there's now been a State hearing in Texas were the Attorney General said
Quote: A.G. Paxton::
"Over the past several days, there have been reports that my office, as part of our investigation, has gained possession of hours of video recordings involving a Texas branch of Planned Parenthood. These reports are accurate. I cannot go into detail about these recordings at this time, but they appear to be consistent with other videos that have been released regarding Planned Parenthood."
Also at the hearing..
Quote: two former abortion workers, Abby Johnson and Carol Everett. Their testimonies were indicting.
Johnson discussed the POC lab, which is what abortion workers call the babies, short for Products of Conception. However, in Planned Parenthood the joke was it stood for 'pieces of children'…. The freezer was jokingly called the nursery in our abortion facility.
Johnson testified that her Planned Parenthood clinic made "$200 per baby". She said fetal tissue donations were “sheer profit for Planned Parenthood.” Even with a conservative estimate, she said, the large quota-based Planned Parenthood clinic that had even 50 tissue donors abortions a day could easily make $120,000 a month from tissue "donation", even with a $100 profit–with no significant "reimbursement costs". She also testified that in her clinic they changed the abortion procedures when they needed to get certain baby parts, such as eyeballs or neural tissue, for the orders made from the procurement agency, Amphioxus Cell Technology....
Testimonies from TX hearing detail how Planned Parenthood is selling baby parts | Live Action News
Senate Committee on Health & Human Services - Jul 29th, 2015[/INDENT]
the HOURS of tapes and the UNEDITED quotes by various PP execs etc simply go to show what former workers , whistle-blowers and others have said for decades now.
But like the CIA trafficking cocaine/drugs and the cigarette industry denying for decades that their products cause cancer they are never prosecute or called on the carpet for it.
Defenders simply attack the messengers. and Assume it's ALL %100 Lies and propaganda.
And they make up stories about "real" motives and deny all evidence no matter what the source.
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out of their own mouths decide for yourselves
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Full Videos judge for yourselves

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oNCkK62UBgw

https://www.youtube.com/results?sear...ned+Parenthood
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Can you show me any single example of where a PP "sting" situation happened where unedited videos were NOT circulated?
99.9% of ALL television news/interviews is edited...It's completely stupid to show a full 25 minutes of something when only a minute and a half is relevant...

Side note...I wonder if a full transcript id allowed to be released without video...
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So how do you know if they are edited if you're not allowed see them Shiva?
The so-called "unedited videos" from the Center for Medical Progress have already been released.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H4UjIM9B9KQ

The "full length video" cleared Planned Parenthood of any attempt to sell fetal parts and tissue where the Planned Parenthood representative clearly establishes that payment is for legal reimbursement of costs.

Experts have also claimed that the "full length video" released is also an edited video.

Remember that this video was illegally obtained and then was intentionally edited by the Center for Medical Progress to commit fraud. Planned Parenthood has been investigated and cleared of any wrongdoing.

That the Center for Medical Progress apparently has more illegally obtained videos that it wants to release to perpetuate it's prior fraudulent claims against Planned Parenthood and this release of illegally obtained videos is justifiably being blocked by the US Supreme Court. We can't even be sure that the additional illegal videos in the possession of the Center for Medical Progress haven't been nefariously edited like the first video. It's obvious that they wouldn't suggest releasing a video that they illegally obtained if it contradicted their previously proven lies about Planned Parenthood.

This entire issue is just another example of how dishonest some people are in the propaganda that produce knowing it's a complete lie when they produce it. It's another attempt to fuel a disproven conspiracy theory.
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