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C-Sections and more without the woman's consent

This is an issues that i brought up to woman after the experience my wife and i had when my daughter was born 17 years ago.

My wife was Completely healthy and strong with ZERO problems and the baby was fine. So my wife and I were surprised when the OBGYN said he wanted to go ahead and schedule her C-Section.
My wife and I asked why? He didn't really give an answer. so She refused and decided to wait until the baby came naturally and the OBGYN was visibly frustrated and literally said it'd be "just his luck" if the baby came on the weekend, which she did.

I discussed this with women at the office where i worked and some blew it off as just "one bad apple" type of thing, some said it was becoming common practice but sorta made excuses for it.
But now it seems that many women are outraged and many of the doctors have gone WAY off the rails into criminal territory. Forcing women to have C-Sections and other procedures against their will, causing physical damage and grief to the woman.

here are a few "memes" that have come my way about it.
Have any of you or your family members had to deal with this?







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Most of the time babies arrive without too many problems but sometimes there are issues and bad outcomes even when the OB's and midwives do everything right. I am not familiar with c/s's being performed without written consent except maybe in emergency situations when 2 lives hang in the balance. Nasty behavior by medical personnel is not good but some may have valid reasons for not wanting to do VBACs. A tragic outcome can be compounded when the team of lawyers begin their work. C-Section rates approach 40% in some states and higher in certain areas and hospitals. The reason is the practice of defensive obstetric medicine.

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I'm with you on this. What some doctors do to women regarding their sexuality is disturbing.

These women had horrible decisions made when giving birth. Millions more have suffered needless loss of female organs for Cancers. Doctors seem to think leaving the vagina, the "play pen" as it were, is enough. How many wombs are removed for no good medical reason?

How many men doctors would recommend or accept removal of their penis for bladder cancer?

They seem to think removing the transmission and drive shaft is okay if they leave the hubcaps intact. I cannot think of a more sexist approach to women's health than the ignorance of some doctors.

To my mind and experience, this is a far greater threat to women, particularly vulnerable women in medical crisis, than the perverts of #METOO., It should command more attention.

why does it not?
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Loss of sexuality. HERS Foundation

http://www.hersfoundation.com/docs/Sexual_Loss.html
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1. C-Section worth more money to the doctor.
2. Doctors generally have tight schedules and they don't like them messed with.
3. I would hazard a guess that most of the doctors behaving badly are men. Talk about men telling women what to do with their bodies! If women don't want to go to male doctors. I'm 100% OK with that.

When my children were born we made sure to talk to the doctor about what would happen and what would be done in certain circumstances. For our first child we went to a midwife. For the next two we were with a doctor. But in all cases we were at a birthing center not the hospital. And we talked and talked with our care provider long before the actual birth.
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This is an issue dear to my heart. Those are horrible things to do to women. I've also heard of women being strapped down so that they cannot move during delivery!

Another problem is when labor is induced for the convenience of the doctor. My ex DIL was induced, and my grandson wasn't ready to come out so she was in an agonizing labor for over 24 hours. As a result of this very difficult and too-early delivery my grandson came out with a misshapen head, was developmentally delayed for a time, and at 14 he now has the maturity level of around a 10 year old, although he has normal intelligence. There are too many pregnancies induced for convenience. Babies in most cases will come out when they are ready, and it doesn't do them any good to be delivered early in the absence of a problem.

Pregnancy is a natural process, but it has been turned into a medical procedure. That is why I had my son at home with a midwife. During childbirth classes we were taught that 95% of deliveries are problem-free, so I never understood why some believe that 100% should be delivered in a hospital setting.
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There are bad doctors just as there are bad cops. They do not represent but a small minority. However, like the police , there seems to be that same blue line of unwavering, fraternal, defense when one of them over steps.

My wife had a fully encapsulated ovarian cancer. There was no need for the hysterectomy. But the doctor made the choice over my objections. "I saved her life." he said.

I was happy to have my wife back alive. But her reactions were quite different. A subsequent surgeon told her to never go back to that doctor. Five surgical attempts to correct the damage later she still suffers. Now that we know what she lost, so has mine.

And the original doctor? He continued to practice for years.

As for the women of the OP who suffered pain and loss at the hands of a doctor during delivery, I understand their pain. At least as much as a man could. The anger remains for a lifetime.
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This is an issue dear to my heart. Those are horrible things to do to women. I've also heard of women being strapped down so that they cannot move during delivery!

Another problem is when labor is induced for the convenience of the doctor. My ex DIL was induced, and my grandson wasn't ready to come out so she was in an agonizing labor for over 24 hours. As a result of this very difficult and too-early delivery my grandson came out with a misshapen head, was developmentally delayed for a time, and at 14 he now has the maturity level of around a 10 year old, although he has normal intelligence. There are too many pregnancies induced for convenience. Babies in most cases will come out when they are ready, and it doesn't do them any good to be delivered early in the absence of a problem.

Pregnancy is a natural process, but it has been turned into a medical procedure. That is why I had my son at home with a midwife. During childbirth classes we were taught that 95% of deliveries are problem-free, so I never understood why some believe that 100% should be delivered in a hospital setting.
I've been part of the medical team (Anesthesia) for many C sections, some V deliveries, and all types of GYN procedures. Some of the incidents described above just don't seem realistic in my experience and seem to be an obvious rare exception to the rule. It sounds like your grandson might have had an altered result but what was the reason. Would he have benefited from a c-section related to "failure to progress" or "cephalopelvic disproportion". Clinically, the baby's heart rate is usually monitored and decelerations indicate some distress. I personally know cases of emergency stat sections where the baby was delivered (APGAR 0 out of 10 ) resuscitated and did OK. Patient care requires more than monitoring, giving drugs, and physical support. We hold the patient's hand and listen to what's going on. Sometimes it's scary.
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