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A stunning new report from the Feminist Majority Foundation has found that anti-abortion violence has reached a 20-year high.

The foundation released the 2016 National Clinic Violence Survey, which found that 34.2 percent of U.S. abortion providers reported “severe violence or threats of violence” in the opening months of 2016, NBC News reports.

In 2014, that number was 19.4 percent. Prior to that, the highest “spike” was in 1995 when it reached 24 percent.

In 2015, a year where Planned Parenthood was notoriously targeted by debunked videos from the Center for Medical Progress suggesting the nonprofit organization sold children’s limbs on the black market, abortion providers were targeted in three murders, NBC notes. There were also nine attempted murders and 94 reports of death threats. This came amid a general upsurge in anti-abortion violence that year.

On Nov. 27, 2015, attacker Robert Lewis Dear, Jr. (later found to be incompetent to stand trial) shot and killed a police officer and two civilians in a Planned Parenthood clinic in Colorado Springs, Colo. Five other officers and four civilians were also injured in the mass shooting. After five hours, the attacker surrendered to SWAT teams.

The number of violent instances/threats plateaued in 2016, but are still at a mark unseen since the ’90s, NBC notes. At that time — over two decades ago — there was a strong surge in violence against abortion practitioners.

National Abortion Federation (NAF) President Vickie Saporta suggested that the rhetoric against abortion worsened again following the election of Donald Trump as president — who on the campaign trail championed the pro-life cause.
Threats against abortion clinics have reached 20-year high - NY Daily News

I felt it necessary to show this after some people fixate on one assault. Some in the thread seemed oblivious to the wider context...
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Confirmation bias, they see what they want to see, and only what they want to see.
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I felt it necessary to show this after some people fixate on one assault. Some in the thread seemed oblivious to the wider context...
im sure they have risen; the white house thug has given serial murderers permission just so long as they vote for him
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Except this thread ignores that unborn children are assaulted and killed in these clinics every day
It's like some here want to complain about threats against concentration camps, while pretending there's not the 1000 lb elephant in the equation of the reason people raised those threats.
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Except this thread ignores that unborn children are assaulted and killed in these clinics every day
It's like some here want to complain about threats against concentration camps, while pretending there's not the 1000 lb elephant in the equation of the reason people raised those threats.
my advice to you, Joe is don't have an abortion
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I felt it necessary to show this after some people fixate on one assault. Some in the thread seemed oblivious to the wider context...
Unfortunately, abortion clinics have always been a target for those who disagree with the right to choose.

Just another way to force their views on others. So many people who consider themselves 'pro-lifers' seem to have no interest in the after-the-fact situations.

For as long as it is legal, I will support the woman's right of choice in the matter. That doesn't mean I am pro-abortion, it means it's none of my damn business what choice she makes.
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my advice to you, Joe is don't have an abortion
And since you weigh in opinion on a variety of issues, like gun control, my advice to you is, don't buy a gun.
See, anyone can play that game.
Unfortunately for you, discussion and having an opinion on a topic doesn't require the prerequisite that it only be a personal issue.
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Except this thread ignores that unborn children are assaulted and killed in these clinics every day
It's like some here want to complain about threats against concentration camps, while pretending there's not the 1000 lb elephant in the equation of the reason people raised those threats.
By that mentality, the "meat is murder" crowd can demand to compare any violence they may perpetrate against the violence against animals for food industry.


Or with guns, the gun rights people refuse to acknowledge the amount of murder and mayhem they are responsible for...

Your understanding is your own. It is not law.
Anybody can come up with their own philosophy to proclaim something else as irredeemable violence.
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By that mentality, the "meat is murder" crowd can demand to compare any violence they may perpetrate against the violence against animals for food industry.


Or with guns, the gun rights people refuse to acknowledge the amount of murder and mayhem they are responsible for...
No .... not even close.
The only way your stupid analogy would fit is if gun stores were the ones actually KILLING those people in the "murder and mayhem" and these murders were taking place in the store. These clinics are where these killings actually HAPPEN, at the hands of abortion doctors.

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Your understanding is your own. It is not law.
Anybody can come up with their own philosophy to proclaim something else as irredeemable violence.
And your logic and approach is just like the people who used to cite the fact blacks can't vote as the LAW, therefore it shouldn't be changed. The country is moving more and more pro-life all the time ... you're already ending up on the wrong side of history.
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No .... not even close.
The only way your stupid analogy would fit is if gun stores were the ones actually KILLING those people in the "murder and mayhem" and these murders were taking place in the store. These clinics are where these killings actually HAPPEN, at the hands of abortion doctors.
Who the **** said anything about blaming the gun stores?


Once again, you pick some meaningless little detail and try to pretend it derails an analogy...

And you completely avoided the "meat is murder" example as well.


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And your logic and approach is just like the people who used to cite the fact blacks can't vote as the LAW, therefore it shouldn't be changed.

Knock off the strawman arguments.
I was not saying that the law automatically validated the practice.
I am more than happy to argue the justification for why the law shouldn't be changed.


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The country is moving more and more pro-life all the time ... you're already ending up on the wrong side of history.
No. It isn't.
I've documented this to you repeatedly.

Some people have chosen FOR THEMSELVES to not have an abortion. Which is kind of amusing considering how many of them are simply not in a choice to have to make that as a choice in the first place.
BUT FOR THE GOVERNMENTAL LAW, the status has been relatively stable.
U.S. Abortion Attitudes Stable; No Consensus on Legality
And saying it's stable is being generous to you.
The percentage of people who think it should be legal under any circumstance ROSE from 1973 to 2017.
The percentage of people who think it should be illega under all circumstances FELL between 1973 and 2017.
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